(November 29, 2018 at 3:21 am)Everena Wrote: lol. I think of God as a creator, not a designer, but there certainly are some very beautiful and amazing things in or world. 

For every sense we have, we have been blessed with such pleasurable things. Things for our eyes to look at that are so beautiful, things to eat that taste so good, things that smell wonderful, sensations that feel wonderful, and of course amazing sounds to hear. What would life be without the beautiful music of nature, the sound of laughter, and the beautiful music we make playing in the background?

I say there is just one grand creator, a massive energy bigger than our entire planet who wants all of us to become better people, so we can escape the pain here and move on to something even more amazing, and have even more amazing experiences.

(November 29, 2018 at 7:53 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Then how do you explain all the things in the world that are  inimical to human life?  Most of this planet is uninhabitable for us

So what? We have plenty of space and then some. And people are probably supposed to gather together in certain areas.

(November 29, 2018 at 7:53 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: - we cannot survive at high elevations, underwater,

We can survive at high elevations in an airplane, and 2.2 million different species of life can survive under water.

(November 29, 2018 at 7:53 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: or in extreme heat or cold (not without very special artificial assistance, at least).

There is plenty of habitable space on this planet that is not extemely hot or cold, so who cares?

(November 29, 2018 at 7:53 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: A significant portion of the elements are poisonous to us, even in very tiny quantities.
The same is true of many insects, plants, and animals. A lack of vitamins causes us serious problems, as does a surplus of them.

We share this planet with 7.77 million other species of life. Not everything that is here is here for just us. Don't take man made vitamins if you're worried about having a surplus of them.

(November 29, 2018 at 7:53 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The idea that we're the whole purpose of this planet is ludicrous on the face of it. We are outnumbered by insects, by birds, by bacteria.

I agree. The whole purpose of this planet very obviously is not just for us, since we share it with gazillions of animals.

(November 29, 2018 at 7:53 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:   There are organisms who thrive where a human would die of heat, starvation, toxicity, thirst, cold or suffocation in jig time.

Then don't move to any of those places. You have a brain.

(November 29, 2018 at 7:53 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The notion that we've managed to flourish on such a hostile planet doesn't point to special creation. 

I would not call our planet hostile in any way, more like the provider of food, and medicinal plants and herbs, and water, and fire and electricity, and metals, and cotton etc etc. We are truly blessed. If don't like it, maybe you should move to some other planet.

(November 29, 2018 at 7:53 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It points to a long, slow, accumulation of the beneficial traits needed for survival.  In other words, the reason that what we see is exactly what we would expect if evolution were true is very simple - it IS true.

That is wonderful. The big rock in your front yard still did not create the universe no matter how much you may want to pretend it did. Inanimate objects or "nothing" would not create a planet with conscious life, complex DNA, food and a million other useful things. You are deluding yourself. It is simply not possible.

Life finds a way. That's what it does. Why is that so impossible?

Ev, you're still pitching the same straw.  Just how big is that pile, anyway, lol?

Quote:So what? We have plenty of space and then some. And people are probably supposed to gather together in certain areas. 

Ad hoc the fact there places that are uninhabitable spot serves as evidence against you claim . 

Quote:We can survive at high elevations in an airplane, and 2.2 million different species of life can survive under water. 

Their are elevation that can naturally kill us appealing to a man made object some of which need to be specifically built so we don't die is just silly . And again we can't live underwater so this avoids his point 

Quote:There is plenty of habitable space on this planet that is not extemely hot or cold, so who cares?

The fact more of the planet that are  uninhabitable again is evidence against your claim 

Quote:We share this planet with 7.77 million other species of life. Not everything that is here is here for just us. Don't take man made vitamins if you're worried about having a surplus of them.

Once again this avoids the argument 

Quote:I agree. The whole purpose of this planet very obviously is not just for us, since we share it with gazillions of animals

See above 

Quote:I would not call our planet hostile in any way, more like the provider of food, and medicinal plants and herbs, and water, and fire and electricity, and metals, and cotton etc etc. We are truly blessed. If don't like it, maybe you should move to some other planet

None of this makes out planet not hostile considering we had to figure out how to utilize those things BECAUSE THE EARTH IS HOSTILE and bringing up other planets is irrelevant 

Quote:That is wonderful. The big rock in your front yard still did not create the universe no matter how much you may want to pretend it did. Inanimate objects or "nothing" would not create a planet with conscious life, complex DNA, food and a million other useful things. You are deluding yourself. It is simply not possible.

A bunch of assertions and repeating dogma 


So you totally failed to address his points and just spewed some half baked apologetic s

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(November 29, 2018 at 1:30 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Ev, you're still pitching the same straw.  Just how big is that pile, anyway, lol?

She lives in a la la land view of the earth

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Humans overcame a harsh merciless universe by biology and human genius nothing was handed to us .

(November 29, 2018 at 8:28 am)Bucky Ball Wrote:

Quote:lol. I think of God as a creator, not a designer, but there certainly are some very beautiful and amazing things in or world.

For every sense we have, we have been blessed with such pleasurable things. Things for our eyes to look at that are so beautiful, things to eat that taste so good, things that smell wonderful, sensations that feel wonderful, and of course amazing sounds to hear. What would life be without the beautiful music of nature, the sound of laughter, and the beautiful music we make playing in the background?

I say there is just one grand creator, a massive energy bigger than our entire planet who wants all of us to become better people, so we can escape the pain here and move on to something even more amazing, and have even more amazing experiences.

And ... and ... don't forget all the wonderful shopping opportunities he made for Valley Girls like yourself.
Oh.
It's all just so wonderful.

I have had a lot of wonderful.  And I have gone though a lot of horrible pain.and suffering. Life here will never be perfect which is why there is a better place than this.

Quote:I have had a lot of wonderful.  And I have gone though a lot of horrible pain.and suffering. Life here will never be perfect which is why there is a better place than this.

Nope life is all there is and you must make the most of it . Idiotic appeals to other places cheapens life and makes people weak .

(November 29, 2018 at 1:26 pm)no one Wrote: Life finds a way. That's what it does. Why is that so impossible?

Life could not even exist or find a way without an intelligent creator. How could something conscious and intelligent ever possibly emerge from something that was not conscious or intelligent? The big rock in your front yard could not create a universe. It is literally impossible and totally illogical to think so.

Blah, blah, blah. Fifty more pages!

Quote:Life could not even exist or find a way without an intelligent creator. How could something conscious and intelligent ever possibly emerge from something that was not conscious or intelligent? The big rock in your front yard could not create a universe. It is literally impossible and totally illogical to think so.

Assertion, Credulity and an argument from ignorance .

Everena, using the word illogical to describe another's thinking, how absurdly comical is that?