(November 29, 2018 at 7:45 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(November 29, 2018 at 7:26 pm)Everena Wrote: We are winning bigtime with that God you don't believe in.
Define natural in that context

Explain how intelligence ever could possibly occur randomly and spontaneously from nothing. How could anything conscious and intelligent ever possibly emerge from something that was not conscious or intelligent? Not one of you has even attempted to answer that question.

To say an inanimate object or nothing created the universe is the utter nonsense.

Really? Prove it. Your argunent has no logical premise, and is self defeating

You really are a truly self contained piece of stupid ignorant ego.

And you have so far answered none of my questions. You know what they say. Those who have no valid argument resort to insults.

(November 29, 2018 at 8:36 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 29, 2018 at 6:36 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Why do you think it's fear? Not all of us hate our brain cells.

You are not using any of your brain cells if you are a convinced atheist.

When you have nothing but insults I know that you've lost.

Quote:Closure and resolution? Yeah sure, say that when you're on your deathbed. 

I almost died 3 times each time that's how it felt  and i'll say it when death finally takes me and i have yet to meet an atheist who finds death all that troubling

Quote:[size=small][size=small]And we are not obsessed with death, you are. 

Nope you lot obsess over convincing yourselves it's not the end and trying to prove it .

Quote:We don't even believe in the concept of death, we believe in crossing over to a better place.

Yup mythology you obsess over to deal with you fear of death and constantly blather about to reinforce it i on the other hand rarely think about death nor does atheist i know because i'm comfortable with it and so are they . 

Quote:And we will never shriek in horror, 

Yes you will as you realize it was all a lie 

Quote:as much as only the most sickening and horrible disgusting lowlifes would ever want us to.

I don't want it far from it i want the opposite but consider you earlier comment i would say the laughing at us makes you worst 

Quote: And I stay away from doctors as much as possible. Your body heals itself quite well if you hadn't noticed. 

Say that when you get to my age 

Quote:Doctors are only for emergencies. 

say that when you get to my age 

Quote:And yes, hell is happening right here, right before your eyes.

Nope nature is 

Quote: And we don't want to live in hell,

Then hurry it up paradise awaits 

Quote: but we will go when God takes us, 

Which sounds like you don't have the guts to end it and you need "god " to do it 

Quote:because we are smart enough to realize that we have a purpose in being here.

See above 

Quote: Cheer up though. Some day you will evolve into smarter beings who can figure this all out too!!!

Cheer up you might actually someday have the courage to cast off your delusions and quite rallying of mythology as a crutch or who knows you might work up the courage too put your beliefs to the test !!!

I'm getting a bit spooked by YouTube's recommendations. Clearly it's met Everena:

(November 29, 2018 at 8:03 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: So there are a couple of things that don't make sense make less sense than the rest, which is kinda terrifying now that I stop to think of it.

So this big energy ball... Why is it a big energy ball? You lot always get impressed with big and stompy. Does it have a big hat too? But I digress. When we die, we go and join with it? Adding our energy to the invisible great energy ball in Never-Neverland?

And what's up with life? Our eternal soles exist off in Nirvana our whatever you want to call it, then God the energy bollocks pops us into a meatsack that's forced to eat other meatsacks, worms eat our eyeballs, we die, and go back to Never-Neverland again. WTF was all that about? What did I learn? God's an asshole! Leave my eternal sole alone! It was in the middle of a good book when you so rudely interrupted.

There is no reason why it is a massive form of energy (not sure why people keep saying ball) It is just how I have always pictured God, for lack of a better description. Yes, we join back with God in the universe we have always lived in. We live there as humans, just like we do here. You're attracted to other humans, not God or apes or fruit right? We are our most beautiful and perfect self there, the ideal image of beauty to our mate who is quite literally the other half of us

We come from a place where only good is possible. Our souls came here to experience what it is like when we can choose bad instead of good, to put it in simple terms. We are doing all kinds of good and bad things while we are here. We are rewarded in future lives for the good, and we suffer any intentional pain we have caused for the bad stuff. Suffering through the pain we have intentionally caused to others teaches us to become better and more sensitive souls, who are more likely to choose good. 

Once we have individually reached the point where we are perfected and will no longer intentionally cause anyone pain in any given circumstance (especially our other half) then we have earned an eternity in the most exciting, fun, adventurous, euphoric love paradise imaginable with our mate and closest friends right by our side. We will all earn this at different points in time, but we all get there eventually. People will keep coming back here until they acheive it.

Quote:And you have so far answered none of my questions. You know what they say. Those who have no valid argument resort to insults.

He's answered all of them you have ignored them because your a disingenuous apologist as i said and for that he can insult you

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Quote:There is no reason why it is a massive form of energy (not sure why people keep saying ball) It is just how I have always pictured God, for lack of a better description. Yes, we join back with God in the universe we have always lived in. We live as humans, just like we do here. You're attracted to other humans, not God or apes or fruit right? We are our most beautiful and perfect self there, the ideal image of beauty to our mate who is quite literally the other half of us

We come from a place where only good is possible. Our souls came here to experience what it is like when we can choose bad instead of good, to put it in simple terms. We are doing all kinds of good and bad things while we are here. We are rewarded in future lives for the good, and we suffer any intentional pain we have caused for the bad stuff. Suffering through the pain we have intentionally caused to others teaches us to become better and more sensative souls, who are more likely to choose good. 

Once we have individually reached the point where we are perfected and will no longer cause anyone intentional pain in any given circumstance (especially our other half) then we have earned an eternity in the most exciting, fun, adventurous, euphoric love paradise imaginable with our mate and closest friends right by our side. We will all earn this at different points in time, but we all get there eventually. People will keep coming back here until they acheive it.

The theological crutch and the hellish paradise that cheapens all .mixed with bloody minded redistributionist savagery

(November 29, 2018 at 8:41 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

(November 29, 2018 at 8:31 pm)Everena Wrote: No, malevolent people. How many times do I need to explain that I believe in karma and reincarnation and that we only ever suffer pain that we have intentionally caused.

You still haven't told me why God creates volcanoes and predators and parasites.
Ma-Le-Vo-Lent!

Predators and parasites are living beings who are just doing what they do. Volcanoes were necessary in the creation of land masses on this planet, and if you live near one, perhaps you should use your brain and move.

Dad, did you get a haircut? No I got them all cut.

(November 29, 2018 at 8:42 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

(November 29, 2018 at 8:36 pm)Everena Wrote: You are not using any of your brain cells if you are a convinced atheist.

When you have nothing but insults I know that you've lost.

Nice try. I only use insults in retaliation.

What do you call an elephant that doesn't matter? An irrelephant