(December 9, 2018 at 4:21 pm)Amarok Wrote:

Quote:You are a religion. 

No Atheism is not it's individual non belief in god  

Quote:You even organize as a religion. 

 No it's not their no positive central doctrine that one must accept to be an atheist any that are imposed are not atheism  

Quote:You do the exact same things that everybody else is doing. 

No i don't and if one goes by the definition i literally couldn't 

Quote:Churches, preaching, offerings, tax exemptions, church leaders conducting services, and so on and so on. 

Nope a cult has taken some religious idea's and has tried to strap it onto an idea they have nothing to do with . It's a ludicrous as installing a screen door on a submarine  

Quote: Sorry, but I'm just going to have to agree with National Geographic.  

Then your are a fool 

Quote:They've been around for decades and have been known to be very reputable.

And they have been wrong plenty and this is one time they are

You can say whatever you want.  It may just be that your denomination or cult told you to think that way.  No reason to assume your opinion is better than any of the other atheists or "nones."  But hey, be mad and call names because I believe National Geographic and not you.  Must be a conspiracy huh?  I listened to a science magazine and now I'm the "bad guy."  Here's where you get a BIG "NOPE."

Still trying to understand why I would need to pay a membership fee to go to one of your churches, plus they collect offerings during their meetings.   So I have to pay $45-600 for a yearly membership or $1000 for a lifetime membership?  What's that all about?  Why can't I just go to your church because I want to?  There are even churches that won't let the "agnostics" in because they're not atheist enough. *rolls eyes*

(December 9, 2018 at 4:03 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(December 9, 2018 at 3:41 pm)Amarok Wrote: So to recap 

Atheism is simply a disbelief in god nothing else the cults add to it have anything to do with atheism and are wholly apart from it 

Atheist may be given the same legal protections from persecution by the religious but that not the same as being a religion

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Not even

You are a religion.  You even organize as a religion.  You do the exact same things that everybody else is doing.  Churches, preaching, offerings, tax exemptions, church leaders conducting services, and so on and so on.  Sorry, but I'm just going to have to agree with National Geographic.  They've been around for decades and have been known to be very reputable.

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Also, I like the comment...

Quote:Atheist Church.....also known as hanging out in a big public building

The Atheist version...



The Christian version...

(December 9, 2018 at 4:44 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(December 9, 2018 at 4:03 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: You are a religion.  You even organize as a religion.  You do the exact same things that everybody else is doing.  Churches, preaching, offerings, tax exemptions, church leaders conducting services, and so on and so on.  Sorry, but I'm just going to have to agree with National Geographic.  They've been around for decades and have been known to be very reputable.

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Also, I like the comment...

Quote:Atheist Church.....also known as hanging out in a big public building

The Atheist version...



The Christian version...

So you have two photos with different amounts of people in them.  Who cares?  I'm sure you have some atheist churches with more or less, and probably similar for Christian churches.  It's all still "church."  As far as who made the video, I'm not familiar with CBN, but it's footage from the atheist church, so I have no dispute with it.  If it's real footage, then it's good enough for me.  Unless you're saying the atheists acted differently because of it.  Regardless, there are atheist churches popping up all over.  So whether there are 10 or 2000 in each one, the point is they're still there.  Singing hymns, potlucks, offerings, and everything else.

Quote:You can say whatever you want. 

Yes i can and i will because it's true 

Quote: It may just be that your denomination or cult told you to think that way.

No such thing 

Quote:No reason to assume your opinion is better than any of the other atheists or "nones." 

Yes their is because they are simply adding things to the concept that have nothing to do with it as i have explained before

Quote:But hey, be mad and call names because I believe National Geographic and not you. 

Being misrepresented does make me mad and you belief in the National Geographic is wrong 

Quote:Must be a conspiracy huh?

Nope it's simply wrong 

Quote: I listened to a science magazine and now I'm the "bad guy."

You listened to a flawed article 

Quote: Here's where you get a BIG "NOPE." 

Here's were i get a yup because the article is wrong 

Quote:Still trying to understand why I would need to pay a membership fee to go to one of your churches, 

No such thing 

Quote:plus they collect offerings during their meetings. 

Nothing to do with Atheism 

Quote:  So I have to pay $45-600 for a yearly membership or $1000 for a lifetime membership?

Nothing to do with Atheism 

Quote:  What's that all about? 

Wouldn't know as it has nothing to do with Atheism 

Quote: Why can't I just go to your church because I want to?

Wouldn't know as it has nothing to do with Atheism 

Quote:  There are even churches that won't let the "agnostics" in because they're not atheist enough. *rolls eyes*

Wouldn't know as it has nothing to do with Atheism 


So yeah you have failed here

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Quote:I'm sure you have some atheist churches with more or less, and probably similar for Christian churches.  It's all still "church."  

Nope it's a small cult that has tried moronically tried too shoehorn  religious concepts  onto something they have nothing to with 

Quote:As far as who made the video, I'm not familiar with CBN, but it's footage from the atheist church, so I have no dispute with it. 

No such thing 

Quote: If it's real footage, then it's good enough for me.

Of a non atheist church because no such thing 

Quote:  Unless you're saying the atheists acted differently because of it.  

Of a non atheist church because no such thing 

Quote:Regardless, there are atheist churches popping up all over. 

Of a non atheist church because no such thing 

Quote: So whether there are 10 or 2000 in each one, the point is they're still there.  Singing hymns, potlucks, offerings, and everything else.

Which has nothing to do with atheism

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(December 9, 2018 at 5:12 pm)Amarok Wrote:

Quote:You can say whatever you want. 

Yes i can and i will because it's true 

Quote: It may just be that your denomination or cult told you to think that way.

No such thing 

Quote:No reason to assume your opinion is better than any of the other atheists or "nones." 

Yes their is because they are simply adding things to the concept that have nothing to do with it as i have explained before

Quote:But hey, be mad and call names because I believe National Geographic and not you. 

Being misrepresented does make me mad and you belief in the National Geographic is wrong 

Quote:Must be a conspiracy huh?

Nope it's simply wrong 

Quote: I listened to a science magazine and now I'm the "bad guy."

You listened to a flawed article 

Quote: Here's where you get a BIG "NOPE." 

Here's were i get a yup because the article is wrong 

Quote:Still trying to understand why I would need to pay a membership fee to go to one of your churches, 

No such thing 

Quote:plus they collect offerings during their meetings. 

Nothing to do with Atheism 

Quote:  So I have to pay $45-600 for a yearly membership or $1000 for a lifetime membership?

Nothing to do with Atheism 

Quote:  What's that all about? 

Wouldn't know as it has nothing to do with Atheism 

Quote: Why can't I just go to your church because I want to?

Wouldn't know as it has nothing to do with Atheism 

Quote:  There are even churches that won't let the "agnostics" in because they're not atheist enough. *rolls eyes*

Wouldn't know as it has nothing to do with Atheism 


So yeah you have failed here

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Quote:I'm sure you have some atheist churches with more or less, and probably similar for Christian churches.  It's all still "church."  

Nope it's a small cult that has tried moronically tried too shoehorn  religious concepts  onto something they have nothing to with 

Quote:As far as who made the video, I'm not familiar with CBN, but it's footage from the atheist church, so I have no dispute with it. 

No such thing 

Quote: If it's real footage, then it's good enough for me.

Of a non atheist church because no such thing 

Quote:  Unless you're saying the atheists acted differently because of it.  

Of a non atheist church because no such thing 

Quote:Regardless, there are atheist churches popping up all over. 

Of a non atheist church because no such thing 

Quote: So whether there are 10 or 2000 in each one, the point is they're still there.  Singing hymns, potlucks, offerings, and everything else.

Which has nothing to do with atheism

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Right, well that's what you're doing.  Guess we can call it neo-atheism.  Congrats on forming a new religion.   As soon as you started copying the theists (hymns, offerings, churches, etc...) you lumped yourself in with them and made yourself an official religion with special protections by the government.

Quote:Right, well that's what you're doing.  

Nope 

Quote:Guess we can call it neo-atheism.

Nope atheism is atheism you can't divide it 

Quote:  Congrats on forming a new religion. 

It's not 

Quote:  As soon as you started copying the theists (hymns, offerings, churches, etc...)

Nope a cult took those concepts and are trying to shove it were it doesn't belong 

Quote: you lumped yourself in with them and made yourself an official religion with special protections by the government.

Nope having the same legal protections as a religion as in the right to not be persecuted by the government does not make Atheism a religion so no one lumped themselves into anything . No matter how much you assert it .

(December 9, 2018 at 2:19 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(December 9, 2018 at 5:41 am)Wololo Wrote: Still bullshitting.  Well, I suppose everybody needs a hobby, Mr Inquisition.

No bullshit!

Thanks for acknowledging my post's not bullshit, bullshitter.

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(December 9, 2018 at 4:44 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Brought to you by Christian Broadcast News. It is to laugh.

Yeah, you gotta love how the idiot thinks quoting a far right fundagelical tv programme is proof of atheism being a religion.

(December 9, 2018 at 6:30 pm)Wololo Wrote:

(December 9, 2018 at 2:19 pm)CDF47 Wrote: No bullshit!

Thanks for acknowledging my post's not bullshit, bullshitter.

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(December 9, 2018 at 4:44 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Brought to you by Christian Broadcast News. It is to laugh.

Yeah, you gotta love how the idiot thinks quoting a far right fundagelical tv programme is proof of atheism being a religion.

Right, so it's the Christians who made you turn into a religion?  They're all to blame?  They made you build churches?  They made you dance and sing in a choir?   Yep, blame it on the Christians.

Quote:Right, so it's the Christians who made you turn into a religion? 

Nope because were not a religion no matter much you repeat it 

Quote:  They made you build churches?

Nope we didn't build a church because their is no we and their are no atheist churches there's a cult desperately trying to impose religious rituals on something that is not a religion 

Quote:  They made you dance and sing in a choir?

 All the above 

Quote:Yep, blame it on the Christians.

Or accept the fact Atheism is neither no ever can be a religion

(December 9, 2018 at 3:04 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(December 9, 2018 at 2:56 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: What part of atheism is the religion?

I can see how using religious laws to protect our lack of belief is smart but then companies in the US  legally  have the same rights as people, do you think companies are people?

You are "Nones", which sounds like "Nuns", but is something else. 

National Geographic even did a story on it - The World's Newest Major Religion: No Religion

So maybe technically atheism isn't your religion, but rather you being "Nones" are the religion and atheism is just your leaning towards that religion.  Kinda like a religious denomination.  That's good for you since that's what you all wanted.  In Dec 2016, you were even included in the International Religious Freedom Act.  So it looks like you got a nice parting gift from Obama when he granted you your request. Congratulations.

You were engaged on this question already, and you chose to remain silent instead of actually engaging the arguments against your view. That you are here repeating the same points after having been confronted on them previously shows that despite your bullshit claim that you want to learn from other people, you're not interested in learning or even talking to us, but simply in repeating your bullshit and ignoring any responses to it. You're nothing but a religious spammer and a troll, and you haven't made that fact any kind of secret. You are an openly unethical person who is simply here to pursue an agenda, and that agenda has nothing to do with learning from civil debaters and opposing viewpoints. You have me on ignore, or are otherwise ignoring me, not because I've behaved badly but rather because my intelligence and opposition to your arguments was inconvenient to you.

(December 2, 2018 at 10:51 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: A quick note about the legal definition, ignoring other problems with it. The law is a crude instrument and it errs on the side of inclusion instead of aiming for accuracy because its goal is not accuracy but protecting people from abuses. Thus it is more inclusive than it needs to be, and for that reason alone the law does not qualify as a legitimate justification for viewing atheism as a religion, because the law is willing to err in order to accomplish other goals. A more serious attempt at defining religion would be to argue from paradigm cases as to what features things that we intuitively recognize as religions engage in and reasoning that any group which engages in similar things likely falls into the same class on that account. This is the approach noted religious scholar Ninian Smart takes in identifying what he calls the seven dimensions of religion. Examining atheism on Ninian Smart's seven dimensions of religion shows that atheism doesn't share those dimensions with paradigm examples of religion. It is at this point that we appeal to Liebniz' law that things which are identical share the same properties, that if two things possess different properties, they are not the same thing. Intuitively this suggests that atheism is not a religion because it doesn't share these properties with things that are paradigmatically religions. The only flaw here is that we are identifying things that are similar, rather than things that are identical, and so a failure to align on specific properties is not fatal as those properties may not be the relevant ones for establishing similarity and inclusion in a specific class. So this argument is persuasive, but not conclusive. We can see its persuasiveness by doing a thought experiment and removing those parts of a paradigmatic example of religion, such as Christianity, and subtracting all those elements which align with Smart's seven dimensions of religion. Once we remove those aspects which align with the seven dimensions, would we still recognize that thing as a religion? I think not. And that closes the circle. Things that do contain them are religions. Things that don't contain them aren't. Atheism doesn't contain those dimensions or only partially and incompletely contains them, and thus atheism is not a religion.

So, your legal argument be damned, atheism is not a religion in the United States, regardless of what the law says. The law doesn't establish usage and in this case it's inaccurate.