Quote:I agree, but it has nothing to do with the context I used.  It's referring to packs of dogs compared against packs of wolves and their behavior without those packs.  Now throw a wolf in with a dog, and it will submit.  But dogs with other dogs, the "lesser" dogs usually submit to the alpha.  Wolves are definitely known for working together in achieving tasks.  Here is a video of a wolf with some dogs, and it gets a little too friendly with a Caucasian Shepherd, and instantly submits as soon as the Shepherd indicated it needed to back off.  About the 1:25 mark.

Once again youtube video's aren't research

(December 12, 2018 at 6:27 pm)Amarok Wrote:

Quote:I agree, but it has nothing to do with the context I used.  It's referring to packs of dogs compared against packs of wolves and their behavior without those packs.  Now throw a wolf in with a dog, and it will submit.  But dogs with other dogs, the "lesser" dogs usually submit to the alpha.  Wolves are definitely known for working together in achieving tasks.  Here is a video of a wolf with some dogs, and it gets a little too friendly with a Caucasian Shepherd, and instantly submits as soon as the Shepherd indicated it needed to back off.  About the 1:25 mark.

Once again youtube video's aren't research

It's observable, so good enough to me.  I don't think a wolf could submit anymore than that one did.  It was the equivalent of a human going into the fetal position. lol

(December 12, 2018 at 6:39 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(December 12, 2018 at 6:27 pm)Amarok Wrote: Once again youtube video's aren't research

It's observable, so good enough to me.  I don't think a wolf could submit anymore than that one did.  It was the equivalent of a human going into the fetal position. lol

Then you have an extremely low bar for evidence

(December 12, 2018 at 6:46 pm)Amarok Wrote:

(December 12, 2018 at 6:39 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: It's observable, so good enough to me.  I don't think a wolf could submit anymore than that one did.  It was the equivalent of a human going into the fetal position. lol

Then you have an extremely low bar for evidence

A wolf submitted to a dog.  It's shouldn't be hard to comprehend.

(December 12, 2018 at 7:24 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(December 12, 2018 at 6:46 pm)Amarok Wrote: Then you have an extremely low bar for evidence

A wolf submitted to a dog.  It's shouldn't be hard to comprehend.

In a low evidence video that isn't a scientific generalization of species interactions

(December 12, 2018 at 7:34 pm)Amarok Wrote:

(December 12, 2018 at 7:24 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: A wolf submitted to a dog.  It's shouldn't be hard to comprehend.

In a low evidence video that isn't a scientific generalization of species interactions

It happened. You can make it into whatever you want, but it was still observed.  You don't have to apply it to the entire wolf population, and I'm certainly not asking you to.

(December 12, 2018 at 7:51 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(December 12, 2018 at 7:34 pm)Amarok Wrote: In a low evidence video that isn't a scientific generalization of species interactions

It happened. You can make it into whatever you want, but it was still observed.  You don't have to apply it to the entire wolf population, and I'm certainly not asking you to.

Yup in a few videos we can draw no conclusions from such a small sample . A small observation . But i will acknowledge you later point .

(December 12, 2018 at 7:55 pm)Amarok Wrote:

(December 12, 2018 at 7:51 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: It happened. You can make it into whatever you want, but it was still observed.  You don't have to apply it to the entire wolf population, and I'm certainly not asking you to.

Yup in a few videos we can draw no conclusions from such a small sample . A small observation . But i will acknowledge you later point .

Fair enough.  If I look for research papers for everything, my day would be spent doing nothing but looking at research papers.  I like wolves and I like dogs.  They all have a purpose and that's usually good enough for me.

(December 11, 2018 at 11:00 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote:

(December 11, 2018 at 8:26 pm)CDF47 Wrote: The document is dated way prior to the first prophecy being realized.  There are scholars amazed at the Book of Daniel for the incredible accuracy and details of the kingdoms that would rise and fall on Earth.

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You have made two bald assertions with no evidence to back them up. Citations still needed.

You have to read the entire Book of Daniel.  Then we can openly discuss your take and my take on it.  I hope you are convinced if our discussion occurs.

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(December 12, 2018 at 12:33 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Dogs outsmarting a wolf.  Letting it fetch then dominating it.  Don't get me wrong, I like wolves, but dogs are more efficient.

That was pretty cool video.  Thanks for sharing.

(December 12, 2018 at 8:34 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(December 11, 2018 at 11:00 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: You have made two bald assertions with no evidence to back them up. Citations still needed.

You have to read the entire Book of Daniel.  Then we can openly discuss your take and my take on it.  I hope you are convinced if our discussion occurs.

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(December 12, 2018 at 12:33 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Dogs outsmarting a wolf.  Letting it fetch then dominating it.  Don't get me wrong, I like wolves, but dogs are more efficient.

That was pretty cool video.  Thanks for sharing.

No prob dude.