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DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
(December 30, 2018 at 1:34 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(December 30, 2018 at 1:16 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I see natural processes as blind processes since there is no intelligence involved.  I do not believe the functional DNA process and molecular machines could have come about by blind processes.

Well, you're welcome to believe what you like.  I'm not disputing that.  What I am disputing is whether you have good reasons for believing what you do.  And as a side note, evolution isn't a blind process, so your belief is about something other than evolution, even if evolution were the entire story, which it is not.  However if you believe that supposedly blind processes such as what you believe evolution to be cannot produce those things, without good reasons for believing it, then your belief is simply irrational and worthy of neither respect nor similar belief.

So the question becomes, do you have good reasons for believing that natural processes (not blind processes, as that's a straw man) cannot produce such things?

If not, your 1,000+ page screed is worth absolutely nothing other than as a display of how religion turns people into ignorant and irrational twats.

So, do you?

DNA is either designed or not.  Natural selection is a non-design process which is impossible to create functional complex information in my opinion.

(December 30, 2018 at 1:34 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:
(December 30, 2018 at 1:30 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Because that is impossible.
What's impossible...and that was, amusingly, the claim made about all three things mentioned.  You've only showed a similarity in claiming so.

DNA coming about by an un-designed process is impossible.

(December 30, 2018 at 1:37 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(December 30, 2018 at 1:30 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Because that is impossible.


That's an ad hominem.

It only sounds like as hominem, it is not.

Reflect upon how it came to be that you’ve become so stricken that factual description of your defects would sound like ad hominem in normal discourse with an average person?

The cause in your case seem to have to do with the cult of Jesus by which you’ve sadly become so besotted.

Attacking those brilliant men rather than their arguments is ad hominem in my opinion.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
(December 30, 2018 at 3:14 pm)CDF47 Wrote:
(December 30, 2018 at 1:34 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: What's impossible...and that was, amusingly, the claim made about all three things mentioned.  You've only showed a similarity in claiming so.

DNA coming about by an un-designed process is impossible.
Why?

...and, again, the above only goes to show that your current claim is like those previous claims made in error.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
(December 30, 2018 at 1:21 pm)CDF47 Wrote:
(December 30, 2018 at 1:14 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Discovery institute is a house of charlatans.  It is no surprise that what it says should be pleasing to your Christian ears because Christianity itself is a cult manufactured by charlatans.

Dr. Stephen C. Meyer and Dr. Behe are not charlatans.

Yes they are. For example Michael Behe had to admit on the stand that he was a lying piece of shit when his "irreducible complexity" scam fell apart.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
(December 30, 2018 at 4:58 pm)Nomad Wrote:
(December 30, 2018 at 1:21 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Dr. Stephen C. Meyer and Dr. Behe are not charlatans.

Yes they are.  For example Michael Behe had to admit on the stand that he was a lying piece of shit when his "irreducible complexity" scam fell apart.

And Meyer is not biologist. His degrees are in something else.
Not sure, but I think he quit the Discovery Institute, realizing it would "dead-end" his career.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
(December 30, 2018 at 3:21 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:
(December 30, 2018 at 3:14 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

DNA coming about by an un-designed process is impossible.
Why?

...and, again, the above only goes to show that your current claim is like those previous claims made in error.

Because it is super complex and functional.

(December 30, 2018 at 4:58 pm)Nomad Wrote:
(December 30, 2018 at 1:21 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Dr. Stephen C. Meyer and Dr. Behe are not charlatans.

Yes they are.  For example Michael Behe had to admit on the stand that he was a lying piece of shit when his "irreducible complexity" scam fell apart.

Where does he say that.  Quote it.

(December 30, 2018 at 5:04 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:
(December 30, 2018 at 4:58 pm)Nomad Wrote: Yes they are.  For example Michael Behe had to admit on the stand that he was a lying piece of shit when his "irreducible complexity" scam fell apart.

And Meyer is not biologist. His degrees are in something else.
Not sure, but I think he quit the Discovery Institute, realizing it would "dead-end" his career.

Where did you read he left the Discovery Institute?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
This thread is my personal hell. Why do I keep coming back to it?! 😭
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
(December 30, 2018 at 11:54 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: This thread is my personal hell.  Why do I keep coming back to it?! 😭

Why is it your personal hell?  I don't think it's bad.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
(December 30, 2018 at 11:49 pm)CDF47 Wrote:
(December 30, 2018 at 3:21 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Why?

...and, again, the above only goes to show that your current claim is like those previous claims made in error.

Because it is super complex and functional.
 
"Super complex and functional" things arise without any guiding intelligence, as has been addressed... at length.... in this thread.   Again, your reasons for asserting that some x is impossible aren't even as good as others reasons were..and they ended up being wrong anyway. Arguments from incredulity aren't reliable in the best of cases, and your appears to be significantly less than the best of cases.

Additionally, and this has also been addressed at length, but your reason™ above wouldn't apply to something simple and functional, would it? Like a rock, or some bit of blunt organic chemistry? I ask, because most people expect that the precursor to dna was significantly less "complex" and "functional".

This leaves us in a strange situation, where a poor reason™..even if true, would not be a reason for the stated conclusion anyway.

Do you think this explanation for why something would be impossible is compelling when the allegedly impossible thing is a god, I wonder?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
(December 30, 2018 at 5:04 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:
(December 30, 2018 at 4:58 pm)Nomad Wrote: Yes they are.  For example Michael Behe had to admit on the stand that he was a lying piece of shit when his "irreducible complexity" scam fell apart.

And Meyer is not biologist. His degrees are in something else.
Not sure, but I think he quit the Discovery Institute, realizing it would "dead-end" his career.
Actually he does have degrees but that just makes more shameful 
And it was Behe who left because he admitted the research was going nowhere and considering Disco Tutes funding gone down the shitter and the fact they reached none of their goals it's only a matter of time . Of course they are not the last of this but they are the most powerful .
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
(December 30, 2018 at 11:49 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(December 30, 2018 at 4:58 pm)Nomad Wrote: Yes they are.  For example Michael Behe had to admit on the stand that he was a lying piece of shit when his "irreducible complexity" scam fell apart.

Where does he say that.  Quote it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Be..._testimony
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