Quote:Sorry, but my definition is adequate, and seeing as to how you can't even come up with one, then you're really not in a position to critique me.

What definition are you proposing instead?  Why is it better and why should I accept it as such?  If you don't want to provide anything, then no reason for me to reconsider.

For what proposing no it's not and again i'm not the one who has to define it .

(January 3, 2019 at 1:05 pm)Amarok Wrote:

Quote:Sorry, but my definition is adequate, and seeing as to how you can't even come up with one, then you're really not in a position to critique me.

What definition are you proposing instead?  Why is it better and why should I accept it as such?  If you don't want to provide anything, then no reason for me to reconsider.

For what proposing no it's not and again i'm not the one who has to define it .

Cool. So no need for any other definitions then.

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(January 3, 2019 at 10:53 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(January 3, 2019 at 10:30 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

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Nope, sorry.  If I wanted to replace "ignorance" then I would just swap it out for "downbeatplumb."

You keep wanting to tell me I'm wrong, but no explanation or demonstration as to what makes your view right.  That is ignorance.

If you have nothing, and you haven't for almost a week now, then there's nothing to consider.

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You have literally given me nothing in return for all the explanations I and others have given, I have asked time and time again for a description of a god and how god did these things and you have given nothing.

Let me say again that to say god did something is not enough if you provide no evidence for that or even a good definition of what a god is.

As far as I can see god is just a cover for you not knowing something.

You don't know, therefore god.

You produce nothing, and you have nothing.  I know therefore "God", you don't know therefore "atheism", along with things popping out of nowhere, and living things coming from nonliving. Congrats, that's just brilliant. Your whole premise is based on the optical outcome that some day you will die and become tasty worm food.  Wow, now that's something to look forward to.  One thing is true, we all find what we seek in one form or another.  Good luck.

Why does life have to have a purpose?

(January 3, 2019 at 3:22 pm)no one Wrote: Why does life have to have a purpose?

Because that's what makes it life.

If I never had purpose, I would never have any reason to do anything.  I wouldn't brush my teeth, play with my dogs, go to the gym, climb a mountain, jump out of a plane, or do anything else.  I would just sit around and blink my eyes all day for no apparent reason.

I am not talking about living. Why does life have to mean anything? Why can't it simply just be? Humans are not special.

(January 3, 2019 at 3:37 pm)no one Wrote: I am not talking about living. Why does life have to mean anything? Why can't it simply just be? Humans are not special.

Speak for yourself. 


Boru

(January 3, 2019 at 3:37 pm)no one Wrote: I am not talking about living. Why does life have to mean anything? Why can't it simply just be? Humans are not special.

You are special. No matter what you ever hear me say, I will never cease to believe that, and I mean that in the nicest conceivable way possible.

(January 2, 2019 at 3:17 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 2, 2019 at 2:43 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Oh... experience... well, I finished my PhD in 2010, having worked in 2 different European fusion devices, W7-X and ISTTOK, and have since worked on the development of a local data acquisition system for ITER, but have mainly been working for JET's infrared, reflectometer and bolometer diagnostics.
You now have 2 minutes to discover my real name... let google be your friend.

Awesome.  You both seem pretty brilliant.  Guess that goes without saying for most engineers.

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(January 2, 2019 at 2:45 pm)CDF47 Wrote: There is order in this universe that is beyond the random chance it should be.  There is far far too much order.  The universe should be mostly chaotic with just small appearances of order but that is not what is found.  Instead, order in magnitudes beyond comprehension is found everywhere, clearly pointing to a designer.  Please open your eyes.

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Thanks for your service!  Nice background!

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Impressive.  Sounds like some interesting work.  I did work on combat tanks (future tank and Abrams tank).  I also did facilities engineering.

Thanks. When I was in the Army, I was 1st AD, which is armor, so plenty of M1A1's.  We also had a decent amount of mortar carriers.  Favorite thing about the M1 was standing behind one of them in winter.  It's like a super heater on tank steroids.  15 below zero?  No prob!  Stand behind a tank and you'll be warm and toasty.

Thanks man!  Yeah, standing behind those tanks is quite warm, I agree.  I'd imagine it could keep you warm in the winter with all the heat being put out.

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(January 2, 2019 at 5:24 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(January 2, 2019 at 2:23 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Yes, DNA is a functional code that programs an assembly line construction of amino acids to parts which are then formed into proteins by a barrel shaped machine. 

Again with the abject lies.

(January 2, 2019 at 2:23 pm)CDF47 Wrote: The protein construct is then transported to the cell to perform its function. 

LIE.

(January 2, 2019 at 2:23 pm)CDF47 Wrote: This is manufacturing engineering 101 at a nano-scale.

Lie.

(January 2, 2019 at 2:23 pm)CDF47 Wrote:   This did not come about by chance alone which is all natural causes are.

Lie.

As long as you insist on telling whopping porkies, I will point them out. Go <bleep> yourself and the talking unicorn you rode in on. You get no leeway when you obviously lie.

Every point I made was truth.

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(January 2, 2019 at 6:20 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Still waiting for the boundaries of complexity (what requires a designer and what doesn't) and a coherent definition of a "god".

BTW, what did you do all day before you discovered AF ?

I provided a definition.

The Maximus:
You are special. No matter what you ever hear me say, I will never cease to believe that, and I mean that in the nicest conceivable way possible.

I think you are misunderstanding my point. Sure, people are special to each other. Mothers, fathers, children, significant others, friends, all mean something to each other. However, humans as a whole, mean very little. One day they will be extinct, and the universe will continue on as if they never were.

(January 2, 2019 at 11:32 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(January 2, 2019 at 2:23 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Yes, DNA is a functional code that programs an assembly line construction of amino acids to parts which are then formed into proteins by a barrel shaped machine.  The protein construct is then transported to the cell to perform its function.  This is manufacturing engineering 101 at a nano-scale.  This did not come about by chance alone which is all natural causes are.

That's exactly correct. 
It did not happen "by chance". 
As was demonstrated in the Szostack video, (which you were unable to even discuss), "chance " was not how it happened. 
Once the evolutionary process has begun, (which wasn't even "chance"), the next step is not "chance. 
You clearly understand nothing about chemistry, physics, or evolution. 
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1...is-random/
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightat...nt-chance/
https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar...ns_faq.php

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(January 2, 2019 at 7:38 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: -It's not about "requiring", which seems to be the source of your confusion.  Either something "is" or it "isn't"  If it exists independently, then nothing else is needed.
- Already provided you a definition from M-W dictionary.  If you don't accept it, then your problem not mine.
-I did the same things I still do.  Adding one thing doesn't mean I change everything else.  Still read, write, publish, spend time with my dogs and cats, video games, help out my neighbors, etc... 

Always the deflection and obfuscation. The definition you provided was inadequate, and did not address the questions asked of you. 
It almost makes one think you don't even understand the questions. *That* couldn't be, no could it ?
LMAO
You're a total fraud. 
I've known it since you first response to my post where you blustered about a "string of logical fallacies" which you couldn't even name.

Something is either designed or is not.  That is my point.  Natural selection is an un-designed process, thus, un-directed.

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(January 3, 2019 at 12:53 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 3, 2019 at 5:39 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: I can see now tothemax's argument is "I don't understand and shall replace my ignorance with the word god"

Theists of every religion, bar none, worldwide, depending on individual, can and are capable of accepting science, but only and up until it conflicts with their beliefs, and that is where the cherry picking begins.

There is no issue with science.  The only issue is in a common ancestry which is not supported well by evidence.

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(January 3, 2019 at 5:46 pm)no one Wrote: The Maximus:
You are special. No matter what you ever hear me say, I will never cease to believe that, and I mean that in the nicest conceivable way possible.

I think you are misunderstanding my point. Sure, people are special to each other. Mothers, fathers, children, significant others, friends, all mean something to each other. However, humans as a whole, mean very little. One day they will be extinct, and the universe will continue on as if they never were.

Good thing the Creator gave us proof of His existence in the cell.