(January 5, 2019 at 6:13 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

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(January 5, 2019 at 5:58 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: I think god is a mixture of anthropomorphism of concepts, such as love, morality etc, mixed with an attempt to explain stuff without having to really think about them.

That is my definition of god.

You could think something is made of sparkles and fairy dust, but that doesn't mean that's what something is.  There seems to be this underlying conception with nonreligious people that those who believe in God don't think, but in most cases, you would be wrong.

It does appear to be what you believe in though.
You have not even attempted to say how god does all the super special stuff you say nor have you provided evidence.
Sparkles and fairy dust is a good way to describe your beliefs as far as I can tell.

(January 5, 2019 at 6:37 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 5, 2019 at 6:33 am)Amarok Wrote: So he's still insisting we define god 

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Observation says otherwise

People will generally see what they want to see.  You are no exception.

Nope . Why would I want to see people as ignorant and unthinking ?

(January 5, 2019 at 3:47 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Do you believe everything people point out?  That's why you do research.  It someone tells you something, check it out for yourself.

A "dictionary" is an authority for defining terms. 

(December 30, 2018 at 3:11 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: If you won't listen to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, then you surely aren't going to accept my definition for something.

Lets see how M-W dictionary defines dictionary then.  

Quote:1 : a reference source in print or electronic form containing words usually alphabetically arranged along with information about their forms, pronunciations, functions, etymologies, meanings, and syntactic and idiomatic uses

2 : a reference book listing alphabetically terms or names important to a particular subject or activity along with discussion of their meanings and applications

3 : a reference book listing alphabetically the words of one language and showing their meanings or translations in another language

4 : a computerized list (as of items of data or words) used for reference (as for information retrieval or word processing)

Where does M-W say that dictionaries define anything?

The fact that dictionaries only refer to current usage of words is pretty evident once you consider that dictionaries start including new words/terms or change the *definition* after they acknowledged the new word/term or changed usage already is applied in everyday used by society.
Nobody reads a dictionary to tell him on how to use a word (but Max maybe) but to inform himself about the current consensus of usage. Otoh the *i have an authoritative book* fallacy is pretty common amongst adherents of (abrahamic) religions.

(January 5, 2019 at 6:35 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.

I feel a distinct disconnect.

You ask me for how I use/define a term and I give it to you.

Your reply then seems to indicate... I am not sure what.

You then alude to 'Objective meaning' which, I assume, is your reffering back to a dictionary.

You do understand that a dictionary is only 'Objective' in that you can point to a physical book. With pages, printed words in cogent sentences etc.

Now, two dictionaries of the same printing will be identical and so with the same definitions etc.

But two dictionaries from different publications or different editions will not necessarily agree with one another?

Hence, side by side, the two different publications, they would then fit your useage/definition of 'Subjective'. Since they would 'No longer agree' with each other.


Please. Explain to me how my previous post was not objective?

I can (And have) pointed to the academic research from which I've drawn my words/ideas. Said academic research is, by definition, objective.

How do you actually tell or otherwise determin if another person's posted sentence is actually subjective or objective?

Where is your definition of a diety/god in response/reply?

I've shown you mine. Don't you think its polite to show me yours?

I did show you mine.  I'm in agreement with the dictionary.  I believe I used Merriam-Webster, so there ya go.  Here it is again from M-W:

God

1 capitalized: the supreme or ultimate reality: such as

a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe

Quote:I did show you mine.  I'm in agreement with the dictionary.  I believe I used , so there ya go.  Here it is again from M-W:



1 capitalized: the supreme or ultimate reality: such as

a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe

And that tells us dick all

(January 5, 2019 at 6:42 am)Deesse23 Wrote:

(January 5, 2019 at 3:47 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Do you believe everything people point out?  That's why you do research.  It someone tells you something, check it out for yourself.

A "dictionary" is an authority for defining terms. 

(December 30, 2018 at 3:11 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: If you won't listen to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, then you surely aren't going to accept my definition for something.

Lets see how M-W dictionary defines dictionary then.  

Quote:1 : a reference source in print or electronic form containing words usually alphabetically arranged along with information about their forms, pronunciations, functions, etymologies, meanings, and syntactic and idiomatic uses

2 : a reference book listing alphabetically terms or names important to a particular subject or activity along with discussion of their meanings and applications

3 : a reference book listing alphabetically the words of one language and showing their meanings or translations in another language

4 : a computerized list (as of items of data or words) used for reference (as for information retrieval or word processing)

Where does M-W say that dictionaries define anything?

The fact that dictionaries only refer to current usage of words is pretty evident once you consider that dictionaries start including new words/terms or change the *definition* after they acknowledged the new word/term or changed usage already is applied in everyday used by society.
Nobody reads a dictionary to [b]tell[/bs] him on how to use a word (but Max maybe) but to inform himself about the current consensus of usage. Otoh the *i have an authoritative book* fallacy is pretty common amongst adherents of (abrahamic) religions.

From M-W homepage:

No other dictionary matches M-W's accuracy and scholarship in defining word meanings. Our pronunciation help, synonyms, usage and grammar tips set the standard. Go beyond dictionary lookups with Word of the Day, facts and observations on language, lookup trends, and wordplay from the editors at Merriam-Webster Dictionary.

(January 5, 2019 at 6:46 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: I did show you mine.  I'm in agreement with the dictionary.  I believe I used Merriam-Webster, so there ya go.  Here it is again from M-W:

God

1 capitalized: the supreme or ultimate reality: such as

a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe

That is not a definition that is in any way useful.
It has not descriptive or explanatory.

(January 5, 2019 at 6:51 am)Amarok Wrote:

Quote:I did show you mine.  I'm in agreement with the dictionary.  I believe I used Merriam-Webster, so there ya go.  Here it is again from M-W:



1 capitalized: the supreme or ultimate reality: such as

a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe

And that tells us dick all

It's a definition.  Seriously, is it really this difficult to understand?

If you ask me to define the animal "cat", I don't need to hand you a book explaining what a cat is.  A short excerpt from a dictionary should do just fine.

Cat


a : a carnivorous mammal (Felis catus) long domesticated as a pet and for catching rats and mice

b : any of a family (Felidae) of carnivorous usually solitary and nocturnal mammals (such as the domestic cat, lion, tiger, leopard, jaguar, cougar, wildcat, lynx, and cheetah)

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(January 5, 2019 at 6:54 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(January 5, 2019 at 6:46 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: I did show you mine.  I'm in agreement with the dictionary.  I believe I used Merriam-Webster, so there ya go.  Here it is again from M-W:

God

1 capitalized: the supreme or ultimate reality: such as

a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe

That is not a definition that is in any way useful.
It has not descriptive or explanatory.

Cool.  Anything else?

Quote:the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe

By that definition the being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is not worshipped by anybody isnt a god?

So, if being "x" did all this, and is all this, but nobody whorships it, its no god?!
I suggest to work a little bit on your definition.

(January 5, 2019 at 7:03 am)Deesse23 Wrote:

Quote:the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe

By that definition the being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is not worshipped by anybody isnt a god?

So, if being "x" did all this, and is all this, but nobody whorships it, its no god?!  
I suggest to work a little bit on your definition.