(January 4, 2019 at 6:46 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:   Just like people claiming there is a Bigfoot running around somewhere.  If there is, I'm ignorant of it, but that doesn't mean there isn't.  I'm not an enthusiast for chasing Bigfoot as a hobby, so unless someone gives me a reason to believe, besides a blurry camera picture or video, then I'll just continue on with other things.

Just like people claiming Jesus exists somewhere. If he does, I'm ignorant of him, but that doesn't mean he doesn't. I'm not an enthusiast for chasing Jesus as a hobby, so unless someone gives me a reason to believe, besides a dusty old book or a dusty old book, then I'll just continue with other things.

Quote:I won't go around telling anybody they have to believe what I do.  What I can do is be willing to share why I believe the way I do.  What they do with that is up to them.  Yay or nay, they can be my friend regardless, and if they tell me not to talk to them about it, then I respect that.

Agreed.

(January 4, 2019 at 7:11 pm)IWNKYAAIMI Wrote:

(January 4, 2019 at 6:46 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:   Just like people claiming there is a Bigfoot running around somewhere.  If there is, I'm ignorant of it, but that doesn't mean there isn't.  I'm not an enthusiast for chasing Bigfoot as a hobby, so unless someone gives me a reason to believe, besides a blurry camera picture or video, then I'll just continue on with other things.

Just like people claiming Jesus exists somewhere. If he does, I'm ignorant of him, but that doesn't mean he doesn't. I'm not an enthusiast for chasing Jesus as a hobby, so unless someone gives me a reason to believe, besides a dusty old book or a dusty old book, then I'll just continue with other things.

Quote:I won't go around telling anybody they have to believe what I do.  What I can do is be willing to share why I believe the way I do.  What they do with that is up to them.  Yay or nay, they can be my friend regardless, and if they tell me not to talk to them about it, then I respect that.

Agreed.

Fair enough. I'm not trying to force you to seek anything.  I don't know that anybody is, but if they are, maybe make your position clear to them if you haven't.

Glad we can agree on some things.

(January 3, 2019 at 5:11 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(January 2, 2019 at 5:24 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Again with the abject lies.

LIE.

Lie.

Lie.

As long as you insist on telling whopping porkies, I will point them out. Go <bleep> yourself and the talking unicorn you rode in on. You get no leeway when you obviously lie.

Every point I made was truth.

No It wasn't. As long as you attempt to propagate these lies, I will continue to point them out. There are many christians I can respect. But the knowing liars, those are pond scum.

Quote:Either he has something or he doesn't.  If he does, then he can either show it or not show it.  My concern is solely on his ability to show it.  If not, no hard feelings and I will move on.  No big deal.  If you think that is an irrational approach, fair enough, but that is your opinion, but to me I see no reason to make the matter overly complicated.  If he can show me, then I can observe it.  If he can't show me, then I can't observe it.  My response is already predetermined because I already stated it.  He shows it, I observe it, it appears authentic, he wins.

Doesn't refute my point nor any substaquint point . Neither of these phenomenon require you receiving a video to say they have been demonstrated and no it's a fact this standard is irrational. Keep calling science "science fiction or " brainwashing "

(January 4, 2019 at 3:45 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 4, 2019 at 7:18 am)Amarok Wrote: Actually it has and he does not have to fulfill your irrational requests

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And no video is  required

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Or we could ignore your irrational request and point and laugh while high fiving all the biochemists who are working tirelessly on Abiogenesis and All the philosophers and physics who have no issue with  the concepts of cosmology  you reject and you can continue raving about evil conspiracies to "brainwash people" and demanding "video's "

Either he has something or he doesn't.  If he does, then he can either show it or not show it.  My concern is solely on his ability to show it.  If not, no hard feelings and I will move on.  No big deal.  If you think that is an irrational approach, fair enough, but that is your opinion, but to me I see no reason to make the matter overly complicated.  If he can show me, then I can observe it.  If he can't show me, then I can't observe it.  My response is already predetermined because I already stated it.  He shows it, I observe it, it appears authentic, he wins.

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(January 4, 2019 at 7:52 am)pocaracas Wrote: Good, good!


No batteries included!


So.... are you saying that you were already christian?


I grew up with little religion in my life.
What little I got came from my grandmother, on the few occasions that I was with her.
No one else said anything otherwise, so I assumed that to be true and generally accepted... then things started not making sense for religion and, for a while, I actually thought I was the only non-believer in the world.
Nowadays, my outlook on life is that it's worth living. It's full of beautiful things to be enjoyed and appreciated... no one seems to be enjoying anything after dying, nor before living, so this is my one chance at it and I want to make the most of it.

No I wasn't already a Christian.

You have a similar outlook on life as I do.  There is beauty everywhere.

Our big difference seems to be that what you see as an end, I see as a gateway to the next great adventure.

As a Christian, that in a lot of ways is how we understand Jesus.  He came here, went through extreme circumstances like we often do, got chased, beaten, mocked, and eventually died.  And in all of it, it wasn't a loss, but the winning move.

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(January 4, 2019 at 1:11 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:  

If you cant say what you believe in in a coherent way then perhaps you don't really know.

A video on what particularly.

Things popping into existence ok then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3xLuZNKhlY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB8CBEFDNC8

life coming from chemicals ok then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1xnYFCZ9Yg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1xnYFCZ9Yg

Video 1 - Was a guy talking to another guy and looking at a computer simulation.  Interesting, but didn't see any rocks or any other new matter in the video, just conjecture
Video 2-  Talks about friction.  Interesting, but didn't see any rocks or any other new matter in the video.
Video 3 - Conjecture about how things may have happened in regard to strands of RNA.  Semi-interesting but presumes something that isn't necessary.  Still no rocks or any other new matter appearing in the video.
Video 4 - Same response as video 3, because it was the same video.
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You are expecting videos of things that happen at scales smaller than light particles! 
Now we know these things happen it has been proven but it is not possible to have actual pictures due to the scale.

Yes conjecture on a viable mechanism, however that is more than what you have presented for how god did it, which is just to say god did it.

Can you see that you have not given any rebuttal or alternative.

Let me put it like this.

If I cant find a sock that I thought I'd put in with the washing. 
You might say "that's the sock fairy".

I would then ask "how does the sock fairy get the sock? why does the sock fairy take on sock? do you have any evidence for a sock fairy" And I will say that because there are better explanations for sock disappearance, maybe it didn't make it into the wash, maybe the socks became separated and I lost the sock perhaps its still in the machine.

But you would say "the sock fairy just is".

That's where we are with god. Not only do we have better explanations but the god hypothesis really has no explanatory use of its own.

Just saying "god did it" is useless.

So we have better ideas that can in the fullness of time be thoroughly tested and to counter those you have your beliefs founded on dictionary definitions apparently.

(January 5, 2019 at 6:36 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(January 4, 2019 at 3:45 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Either he has something or he doesn't.  If he does, then he can either show it or not show it.  My concern is solely on his ability to show it.  If not, no hard feelings and I will move on.  No big deal.  If you think that is an irrational approach, fair enough, but that is your opinion, but to me I see no reason to make the matter overly complicated.  If he can show me, then I can observe it.  If he can't show me, then I can't observe it.  My response is already predetermined because I already stated it.  He shows it, I observe it, it appears authentic, he wins.

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No I wasn't already a Christian.

You have a similar outlook on life as I do.  There is beauty everywhere.

Our big difference seems to be that what you see as an end, I see as a gateway to the next great adventure.

As a Christian, that in a lot of ways is how we understand Jesus.  He came here, went through extreme circumstances like we often do, got chased, beaten, mocked, and eventually died.  And in all of it, it wasn't a loss, but the winning move.

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A video on what particularly.

Things popping into existence ok then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3xLuZNKhlY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB8CBEFDNC8

life coming from chemicals ok then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1xnYFCZ9Yg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1xnYFCZ9Yg

Video 1 - Was a guy talking to another guy and looking at a computer simulation.  Interesting, but didn't see any rocks or any other new matter in the video, just conjecture
Video 2-  Talks about friction.  Interesting, but didn't see any rocks or any other new matter in the video.
Video 3 - Conjecture about how things may have happened in regard to strands of RNA.  Semi-interesting but presumes something that isn't necessary.  Still no rocks or any other new matter appearing in the video.
Video 4 - Same response as video 3, because it was the same video.

You are expecting videos of things that happen at scales smaller than light particles! 
Now we know these things happen it has been proven but it is not possible to have actual pictures due to the scale.

Yes conjecture on a viable mechanism, however that is more than what you have presented for how god did it, which is just to say god did it.

Can you see that you have not given any rebuttal or alternative.

Let me put it like this.

If I cant find a sock that I thought I'd put in with the washing. 
You might say "that's the sock fairy".

I would then ask "how does the sock fairy get the sock? why does the sock fairy take on sock? do you have any evidence for a sock fairy" And I will say that because there are better explanations for sock disappearance, maybe it didn't make it into the wash, maybe the socks became separated and I lost the sock perhaps its still in the machine.

But you would say "the sock fairy just is".

That's where we are with god. Not only do we have better explanations but the god hypothesis really has no explanatory use of its own.

Just saying "god did it" is useless.

So we have better ideas that can in the fullness of time be thoroughly tested and to counter those you have your beliefs founded on dictionary definitions apparently.
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He will just keep asking for the same unreasonable evidence and dismissing anything else a "conjecture" . His demands for a video are as unreasonable as his insistence science refutes or defies these proposals

When you have absolutely no evidence of anything (you claim) whatsoever, make sure to pretend everybody else doesnt have as well.
Drag em down to your level and beat them with........nothing.

(January 5, 2019 at 6:36 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(January 4, 2019 at 3:45 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Either he has something or he doesn't.  If he does, then he can either show it or not show it.  My concern is solely on his ability to show it.  If not, no hard feelings and I will move on.  No big deal.  If you think that is an irrational approach, fair enough, but that is your opinion, but to me I see no reason to make the matter overly complicated.  If he can show me, then I can observe it.  If he can't show me, then I can't observe it.  My response is already predetermined because I already stated it.  He shows it, I observe it, it appears authentic, he wins.

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No I wasn't already a Christian.

You have a similar outlook on life as I do.  There is beauty everywhere.

Our big difference seems to be that what you see as an end, I see as a gateway to the next great adventure.

As a Christian, that in a lot of ways is how we understand Jesus.  He came here, went through extreme circumstances like we often do, got chased, beaten, mocked, and eventually died.  And in all of it, it wasn't a loss, but the winning move.

---

A video on what particularly.

Things popping into existence ok then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3xLuZNKhlY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB8CBEFDNC8

life coming from chemicals ok then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1xnYFCZ9Yg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1xnYFCZ9Yg

Video 1 - Was a guy talking to another guy and looking at a computer simulation.  Interesting, but didn't see any rocks or any other new matter in the video, just conjecture
Video 2-  Talks about friction.  Interesting, but didn't see any rocks or any other new matter in the video.
Video 3 - Conjecture about how things may have happened in regard to strands of RNA.  Semi-interesting but presumes something that isn't necessary.  Still no rocks or any other new matter appearing in the video.
Video 4 - Same response as video 3, because it was the same video.

You are expecting videos of things that happen at scales smaller than light particles! 
Now we know these things happen it has been proven but it is not possible to have actual pictures due to the scale.

Yes conjecture on a viable mechanism, however that is more than what you have presented for how god did it, which is just to say god did it.

Can you see that you have not given any rebuttal or alternative.

Let me put it like this.

If I cant find a sock that I thought I'd put in with the washing. 
You might say "that's the sock fairy".

I would then ask "how does the sock fairy get the sock? why does the sock fairy take on sock? do you have any evidence for a sock fairy" And I will say that because there are better explanations for sock disappearance, maybe it didn't make it into the wash, maybe the socks became separated and I lost the sock perhaps its still in the machine.

But you would say "the sock fairy just is".

That's where we are with god. Not only do we have better explanations but the god hypothesis really has no explanatory use of its own.

Just saying "god did it" is useless.

So we have better ideas that can in the fullness of time be thoroughly tested and to counter those you have your beliefs founded on dictionary definitions apparently.
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I don't need a rebuttal.  He didn't show anything that demonstrated the actual process on a small scale. A couple of the videos were a bit interesting, but nothing to take too seriously.

So no real objections then

(January 5, 2019 at 7:20 am)Amarok Wrote: So no real objections then

Nothing to object to.