(January 5, 2019 at 2:43 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: We haven't had any trouble existing these past few hundred years.  
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We need the labor, we need the pop replacement rate, we need the goods produced, and we need the taxes.  Foods good, musics great...what the fuck is the problem, lol?

Also, we need to stop being assholes and let the white fright go.

THIS.

There are sound arguments against having completely open borders, but this issue gets confused in the heads of scaredycat white folk. Migrant workers pose no threat whatsoever.

If anyone has a problem with migrant workers, I'd remind them that they have a problem with capitalism. Since our government won't allow citizen workers to be exploited as much as the market demands, capitalism has begun importing exploitables from latin America. Ain't no wall gonna contain what the market demands.

The overall impact of migrant workers on the economy is minimal. This is because migrant workers buy American goods and services while they live here... they stop at gas stations, they go out for beers, they go bowling, etc. This (in the long run) creates some jobs for US citizens.

Individually, American citizens lose a few pennies from their paychecks each month. If the Trumpsters really want those precious pennies back in their paychecks, they need to realize that their increase in income will be offset by pricier produce. The only thing keeping those oranges so damn cheap is good ol' human exploitation.

Of course, the immigration issue has nothing to do with job competition. It's all about ethnic purity. Because capitalism keeps importing the exploitables, the ethnic face of our country is changing. Whitey doesn't want to find out what it feels like for the shoe to be on the other foot. After all, as history has shown, that can be pretty undesirable. Too bad. So sad.

Every ethnic shift in American history has come with foreboding prophecies of "America's ultimate demise at the hands of liberated minorities." Somehow, we keep chuggin' along. And not only that, we keep improving the place for everyone. 

"America" will come to an end some day. That's unavoidable. It has happened to the greatest empires in every epoch. The mighty will eventually fall. I would prefer that our footnote in the history books doesn't contain the phrase "a fate mirroring the downfall of the Third Reich..." Therefore, I remain optimistic about the changing ethnic face of America. It might just be a sort of revitalization that keeps us going for another couple centuries.

I see that many of you are confusing border control with wanting to stop immigration.  It's a way that those who are against controlling immigration use to cloud the issue.  I stated in my OP that I am in favor of our liberal immigration quotas and think that it is a positive for America.  Another they use is to label anyone who is in favor of border control is a racist.   They're tactics to shift the attention away from the real issues.  If some stranger came to the door of your house, said they were a refugee from another country and wanted to move in with you would you just open up the door and let him in?  You might even be willing to take him in, but not without first knowing who he is and what his real situation is first.  If you want to know what uncontrolled immigration can do to a civilization just as the Native Americansand they'll tell you.

We need to enforce the immigration laws to the fullest extent.  Illegal immigrants risking their childrens lives dragging them across deserts would not be tolerated by US citizens if their own people did such things.  We call that child abuse and neglect.  But the inherent racism of the left is graphically shown when they tolerate such abuse by latinos, justified by their own personal gain (cheap salads) and mirrors their own bigotry against people of a different skin color.  The left does not believe SOME people can be held to the same standard as white people.  The left believes its OK to put latinos to work in jobs white people dont want.  No consideration as to WHY people who can read and write at a higher than 8th grade education see how physically bad it is for them to ruin their backs for yuppie salads.  

Go ahead and ask these various illegal immigrants whether they even tried to legally immigrate.  You can read it in the caravan reports.  Nope.  Not any effort at all to legally immigrate.  

Clinton era GAO report:
GAO found that: (1) illegal aliens in the United States generate more in costs than revenues to federal, state, and local governments combined; (2) estimates of the national net cost of illegal aliens vary greatly, ranging from $2 billion to $19 billion; (3) a great deal of uncertainty remains about the national fiscal impact of illegal aliens, because little data exists on illegal aliens' use of public services and tax payments; (4) displacement costs and revenue estimates account for much of the variation in the estimates of the national net costs of illegal aliens; (5) the estimates are difficult to assess because the studies do not always clearly explain the criteria used to determine which costs and revenues are appropriate to include in the estimates; and (6) the cost estimates could be improved by recognizing the difficulties inherent in collecting data on a hidden population, focusing on key characteristics of illegal aliens, and explaining more clearly which costs and revenues are appropriate to include in such estimates.

https://www.gao.gov/products/HEHS-95-133

Nothing has changed in the 20 years since:

At the federal, state, and local levels, taxpayers shell out approximately $134.9 billion to cover the costs incurred by the presence of more than 12.5 million illegal aliens, and about 4.2 million citizen children of illegal aliens. That amounts to a tax burden of approximately $8,075 per illegal alien family member and a total of $115,894,597,664. The total cost of illegal immigration to U.S. taxpayers is both staggering and crippling. In 2013, FAIR estimated the total cost to be approximately $113 billion. So, in under four years, the cost has risen nearly $3 billion.

https://fairus.org/issue/publications-re...-taxpayers

Quote:There are sound arguments against having completely open borders, but this issue gets confused in the heads of scaredycat white folk. Migrant workers pose no threat whatsoever.

If anyone has a problem with migrant workers, I'd remind them that they have a problem with capitalism. Since our government won't allow citizen workers to be exploited as much as the market demands, capitalism has begun importing exploitables from latin America. Ain't no wall gonna contain what the market demands.

We are not talking about migrant workers.  Migrant workers have visa's and an employer who is following the rules. We are talking about people who are here illegally.  But again that is a typical lefty tactic; respond with something unrelated to obfuscate the topic.

You'll understand if I don't accept numbers from FAIR, I hope.

Boru

We have border control. A wall won't help that. That's not how things work.

(January 5, 2019 at 2:49 pm)Mermaid Wrote: We have border control. A wall won't help that. That's not how things work.

We don't have border control. If we did there wouldn't be thousands per day crossing illegally.

(January 5, 2019 at 5:00 pm)Lek Wrote:

(January 5, 2019 at 2:49 pm)Mermaid Wrote: We have border control. A wall won't help that. That's not how things work.

We don't have border control.  If we did there wouldn't be thousands per day crossing illegally.

Yes, we do have border control. A lot of it. Have you tried to cross the border lately?

(January 5, 2019 at 5:00 pm)Lek Wrote:

(January 5, 2019 at 2:49 pm)Mermaid Wrote: We have border control. A wall won't help that. That's not how things work.

We don't have border control.  If we did there wouldn't be thousands per day crossing illegally.

A quick Google tells me:

-The US employs about 20 000 Border Patrol agents.  This number does not include non-field personnel.

-The USBP has a budget of about US$4 billion.

-The USBP operates (depending on how you count them) 10 000-12 000 vehicles.

-In 2017, the USBP either apprehended or turned back a little more than half a million people.

-The CPB estimates (hard to get exact figures) that around 300 000 people successfully and illegally entered the US in 2017, and that it has declined since then (so, it isn't 'thousands per day').

It that's not border control, it'll do until some comes along.

Boru

(January 5, 2019 at 2:35 pm)Jane2d Wrote: But the inherent racism of the left is graphically shown when they tolerate such abuse by latinos

The cry of the dictator and the totalitarian down through the ages, blame the victims for the consequences of the evil done onto them.

Keep up with the Julius Streicher levels of propoganda, girl, it only exposes and reinforces your true nature.

(January 5, 2019 at 6:19 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(January 5, 2019 at 5:00 pm)Lek Wrote: We don't have border control.  If we did there wouldn't be thousands per day crossing illegally.

A quick Google tells me:

-The US employs about 20 000 Border Patrol agents.  This number does not include non-field personnel.

-The USBP has a budget of about US$4 billion.

-The USBP operates (depending on how you count them) 10 000-12 000 vehicles.

-In 2017, the USBP either apprehended or turned back a little more than half a million people.

-The CPB estimates (hard to get exact figures) that around 300 000 people successfully and illegally entered the US in 2017, and that it has declined since then (so, it isn't 'thousands per day').

It that's not border control, it'll do until some comes along.

Boru

This is border control? Some needs to come along right now.