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Illegal Immigration
#51
RE: Illegal Immigration
(January 7, 2019 at 1:37 pm)Lek Wrote: Despite all that has been said, the question remains "should we control immigration into the US"?  If so, we need to have effective laws, systems and enforcement.  Our current system is obviously ineffective.  It's not California's job to enforce the borders, but it also neglecting the well-being of it's citizens by protecting known criminals simply because they are undocumented immigrants, especially when they don't do the same for documented immigrants and citizens.  In many cases, if the Feds are after a known criminal who is a citizen, California will co-operate, but if the criminal is undocumented they will not.  Sanctuary cities do not protect criminal citizens - only undocumented criminals.  Whatever the crime rate is for immigrants, we need to know who is crossing our borders folks.

Yes and no.

Order is what all humans seek 

Yes we should control immigration but NOT in the inhumane fear mongering xenophobic bigoted way the orange turd sells.

If someone gets in here without papers, the worst thing we can do is scare the shit out of them to the point they don't have a job, and worse, don't report crime because they are afraid of getting deported.

Again, I have had Hispanic neighbors living on both sides of me for the past 10 years, I don't know their status, nor have I asked, nor do I care. I do know they have been nothing but kind to me, and have kids, and have never been violent. Why would I want to kick non violent innocent people out of my neighborhood?

In my 52 years of life, I have run into far more violent people whom live here and have legal status. 

Nationality and race do not determine if the individual will get violent. However, bad economics will lead to more unrest and crime, but that is the same worldwide.
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#52
RE: Illegal Immigration
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
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#53
RE: Illegal Immigration
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#54
RE: Illegal Immigration
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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#55
RE: Illegal Immigration
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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#56
RE: Illegal Immigration
Laws are laws. Anyone who comes in a spirit of law-breaking shouldn't expect to be welcomed into the society.
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#57
RE: Illegal Immigration
Quote:This is persistent argument with him essentially saying we can't criticize American policy because were not American .

What a remarkably stupid argument.  I suppose I was wrong to take to the streets in protest of the UK government cozying up to South Africa during apartheid.  Maybe I have no right to (in a small way) help people dealing with crushing poverty.  Maybe my stance on the Rwandan and Rohingya genocides is misplaced.  Maybe I'm just a big old stupid head for thinking the Israelis shouldn't respond to rock-throwers with gunfire.

I guess I'm just one of those garden variety bleeding heart liberal snowflakes.  Lucky me.  Smile

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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#58
RE: Illegal Immigration
(January 8, 2019 at 9:46 am)bennyboy Wrote: Laws are laws.  Anyone who comes in a spirit of law-breaking shouldn't expect to be welcomed into the society.

Which laws are being broken?

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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#59
RE: Illegal Immigration
(January 8, 2019 at 9:57 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(January 8, 2019 at 9:46 am)bennyboy Wrote: Laws are laws.  Anyone who comes in a spirit of law-breaking shouldn't expect to be welcomed into the society.

Which laws are being broken?

Boru

I expect he' s referring to those that choose to try and circumnavigate the legal entry points - and legal entry, in favor of a stroll through the desert under cover of darkness.
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#60
RE: Illegal Immigration
(January 8, 2019 at 9:54 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:  Maybe I'm just a big old stupid head for thinking the Israelis shouldn't respond to rock-throwers with gunfire.

You are
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