(December 2, 2018 at 12:33 pm)tackattack Wrote: Caressing, making out, fondling, playing, bumping uglies... sure it could mean any of those things. You’re taking the translation that proves your point which is the least agreed upon translation. But sure, they were having sex in public, what is your point? Bible translations differ? Please let me know your point.

The bible should have pictures, unless you want people to use their imaginations and fantasize. 

Um...........wait,...................

Another lie by an atheist shot down before it got started. Shows how ignorant some can actually be.

GC

LOL what's a lie? That different versions of Bible give different translations? Seems rather like another angry religious person wants to wants to be right but doesn't know how.

(December 2, 2018 at 6:13 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Only Good News Translation says it right "When Isaac had been there for some time, King Abimelech looked down from his window and saw Isaac and Rebecca making love."

In early 20th century novels (e.g. Henry James) "making love" means something like flirting. Or speaking lovingly to one another. 

It's kind of a surprise when you read "the happy couple was making love on the sofa during the party." Even though it's not that kind of party. 

I don't know when the Good News translation was made, but it might not mean sex.

And what about flirting itself? When was that invented? I mean is it more believable that a Bible patriarch is flirting with a woman that his dad got him for couple of goats than just screwing her? I mean do you think that they flirted before sex or did he just give her the orders?

Let's be honest here, the Good News isn't what you would call a reliable translation. It's pretty clear they paraphrase rather than translate.

(December 24, 2018 at 3:06 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: And what about flirting itself? When was that invented? I mean is it more believable that a Bible patriarch is flirting with a woman that his dad got him for couple of goats than just screwing her? I mean do you think that they flirted before sex or did he just give her the orders?

Wait... are you assuming the story is true? 

I'd guess it's fiction, written for a purpose, to get some point across. This means that what seems likely to us to be true isn't really important. What we should think about is what point the story makes, why the writer wants to make that point, etc. 

The way I read it, the couple is behaving in a playful or affectionate way that makes the observer think they are more than just pals. I have seen people behave this way, and it seems to fit the narrative. It also allows the old-fashioned meaning of "make love" as Henry James used it, and is consistent with what Cherub said about the dictionary meaning of the Hebrew original.

(December 24, 2018 at 3:26 am)Grandizer Wrote: Let's be honest here, the Good News isn't what you would call a reliable translation. It's pretty clear they paraphrase rather than translate.

Interestingly, when I was in Catholic grade school (early 1960's) I had to study a bowdlerized version of The St. Jerome Bible. Scenes like that were toned down considerably or entirely missing. For instance, the scene in which Lot slept with his daughters and got them pregnant had been expunged.

(December 2, 2018 at 6:13 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: LOL I guess I'm opening this topic because of a blatant example how translators of the numerous versions of the Bible are all having their own issues with parts of the Bible. This one is in Genesis 26:8. In it Isaac is having sex with his wife Rebekah in full view of King Abiymolokh of Gerar (or should I say in the open), but if you look at the numerous translations of the Bible you can see that translators want to deceive sheep by giving different renditions - I mean imagine the authority that can administer over the word of god itself. So here is a screen-cap example:


https://biblehub.com/genesis/26-8.htm

It would be funny if it weren't real. Most versions say that Isaac is caressing his wife, but some say they were laughing, "sporting" (what the heck is that?), kissing, playing, dallying.

Only Good News Translation says it right "When Isaac had been there for some time, King Abimelech looked down from his window and saw Isaac and Rebecca making love."

glob...

do you not understand what a codex is?

A codex is a compilation of manuscripts from which the bibles are translated. in 16th century there were far fewer know codacees than there are now. So for older translations we might find somthig like 'sporting' where as time went on we found more accurate and older codacees which may change a word or meaning of a command.

Another difference you will find between ot KJV and a modern translation is in the command "thou shalt not kill." where as a modern bible records you shall not murder. The difference I am speaking of is not in the English but the use of the word kill verse murder. To kill is a Prohibition on taking any human life period. lots of people had problems with this who were asked to goto war. then in the mid 40s the dead sea scrolls were found which gave us codacees much much older and verified with other known texts. which allowed the change to murder which is an unauthorized taking of life.

It's "codices". The plural of "codex" is "codices".

And if you are that ignorant there is little hope you understand the word anyway. A "codex" might be a compilation but does not necessarily have to be a compilation. They don't have to be biblical either, their subject can be anything at all.