(January 4, 2019 at 8:12 am)notimportant1234 Wrote:

(January 3, 2019 at 4:21 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Again, context is important.  Instead of just posting the scripture and looking at what it meant in context, you posted your interpretation.  What you are reading in Exodus 21 is Moses speaking about formal ordinances.  It's not encouraging violence against slaves, but addressing the terms to which there would be a judicial ruling against a party.  The issue with female servants is because they were sold as wives, which is why they wouldn't have been released in the seventh year.  They weren't married to their male slaves, so they were free to go, but they could willfully stay.  Many slaves had a financial obligation, so their work was also seen as "money" and that's how it was looked at judicially.  How we apply these things today is different.  

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.

The best way to understand Christian requirements by God's law is to look at two things (Ten Commandments + Greatest Commandments). With the Ten Commandments, the first four are a direct responsibility to God, and the last six are our responsibility to each other.  Of course Jesus simplified it even more by saying to love God with all of your heart, soul, and mind, which encompasses the first four (greatest commandment), and to love your neighbor as yourself, which encompasses the last six.

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (Leviticus 20:13)

The only way to turn this around using context is by inserting " I was joking. " at the end. 

Why would it need to be turned around?

(January 4, 2019 at 12:00 pm)Drich Wrote:

(January 3, 2019 at 7:37 pm)Nihilist Virus Wrote: False.  Memories are stored and recalled in neurons, which exist inside time and space.

Not true. there are three universally agree on points as to how memory works encoding storage and retrieval. now on what media (brain material or process) does these three things happen, is not agreed upon. Your explanation is one of many, which is why science has back out of speaking in absolutes when it comes to how memory works. they rather focus on the process rather than the exact media. That does indeed leave room for the idea that memory is more than the process of encoding storage and retrieval, Meaning in it's simplest forum it is captured moment that has been pull from it original specific time and space and stored to be accessed at our will. In the end the how 'we' as trans dimensional beings do this is irrelevant as the moment can not exist outside of our memory.
Do you understand? retard version: Just because you can explain how we can capture a moment of time and space pull it from existence and store it outside of it's orginial time and space, and later access it does not make it any less trans dimensional act. Your little brain has not been told it is ok to think of things that way by people you respect. in the end to relive a past moment through a very good memory is to experience a trans dimensional moment because that moment does not belong to this space or time.

Again just because you can semi explain how it works does not mean a memory is a moment of displaced time and space. Your scientific sin is to assume the mundane can not fit in the realm of fantastical just because you feel you have mastery over a principle or idea.

Quote:A memory is not a perfect recreation of the events being remembered.  The fact that the events being remembered are no longer occurring is not relevant to anything whatsoever.

said a person with a closed mind desperately trying to close a subject without any explanation or reason other than "i said so and I am going to trivialize and make fun of the way I don't automatically think. Seriously besides trivializing my idea what is your actual objection?

Quote:You do understand that the universe does not rewind itself and replay events when you attempt to recall them, right?

Good glob you can't be that stupid as to think that is what I said. I said we pull a moment from time and space and store it. I am saying memory as however you wish to explain it works scientifically at it's core allow us not this body but out disembodies consciousness to go back in to that time and space and relive or examine that moment. that's what makes us trans dimensional beings. we don't have to go back we capture a moment out side of time and space and at will our core selves can revist it. while our physical self remain in this time and space.

Quote:If memories can be considered outside time and space

Quote:Your conditional statement fails.

there is no condition here it is an observation that if something as difficult as a memory can qualify then something that better fits the definition qualifies that much more.

Quote:That would be a leap from reality.  Dreams occur in the brain.  Brains take up dimensions of space.  Brains are not trans dimensional.  But who knows... you're pretty out there... maybe yours is.

I did not say brains are trans dimensional moron, I said the dream world is. The reason Dream space can be considered a different dimension is because it a place where consciousness can exist outside of what in going on here in the waking world. maybe you don't understand this is a matter of philosophy not science

Quote:Dimensions pertain to height, width, and length.  And time.  Perhaps more higher dimensions on top.  There's no wiggle room there.  Nothing about dreams.

and here is where you mind closed.. the word dimension has at least 20 different aspects or meanings and you have zeroed into only one. for you this word can only mean the one thing when in fact it is used to specifically divide this waking world into spiritual and or even dream world. It can simple describe a point of consciousness existence outside of a specific moment and time. Yes our bodies may remain but out consciousness can wander in a waking dream or memory, this excape from here and now is what makes us a dual core being have a conscious state separate from our physical form.

Quote:No.  They are experiences resulting from physical processes in the brain.  That's material.

content of dreams and memories are immaterial despite how we physically capture these moments or project our selves into the dream world.. Again just because you have an idea how something works does not mean or necessitate a change in the philosophical understand of what is happening.

Quote:yet you can exist in both of these realms.. So then the nature of conscious can float between a realm of time and space and a realm without the confines of time and space as our core nature is immaterial.

Quote:2 questions.  What are you taking?  And will you share with the rest of the class?

all I've taken is reality with an open mind and looked at it from a few different angels.

Quote:Hold on.  Let me get this straight.  You don't believe souls are intrinsically immortal?

 Intrinsically nope.

Quote:Then that means that Jehovah not only sends souls into eternal conscious torment, but he is the very source that keeps them alive?  They could eventually just cease to exist after a hundred trillion years, but no, that's not enough suffering.  

why should I be any more surprised? Ever hear of the resurrection? Jesus when He died on the cross over came death, as Christ arose from the dead he has the power to raise those who follow him from the dead as well. Then everyone will be raise, then be judged and then sentenced to Heaven and or Hell. Nothing in the bible says we will burn in Hell forever. the bible says hell his forever and Satan and his angels are slated to burn forever, but we won't last in hell forever, over time we will be consumed by the hell fire. This according to the bible is known as the second death. So no again we do not intrinsically live forever.

Quote:So how exactly are these 'trigger words again?' and to whom are they made to stump? seems to me only the closed minded with a singular world bsolutest view seem trapped by the meaning of your words.. other wise easy peasie

So you're OK with self-identifying as a trans dimensional, immortal, immaterial entity which will be reincarnated on another planet?

duh... why do you think I am taking the pro position?
By definition God is a trans dimensional being, by definition heaven and Hell are of a different dimension, after the resurrection God is promised to make a new heaven and a new earth for us to live on. Everything you said here is foretold in the bible just by a different name. Just because we use different words than they did 2000 years ago doesnt mean anything is invalidated, it just means we need to keep up with the modern lingo.

Something you failed to do when the word dimension is used.

If we agree, then why are we arguing? I think you're very courageous to self-identify as a transdimensional, immortal, immaterial entity which is awaiting reincarnation on another planet.

(January 4, 2019 at 4:28 pm)Nihilist Virus Wrote:

(January 4, 2019 at 12:00 pm)Drich Wrote: Not true. there are three universally agree on points as to how memory works encoding storage and retrieval. now on what media (brain material or process) does these three things happen, is not agreed upon. Your explanation is one of many, which is why science has back out of speaking in absolutes when it comes to how memory works. they rather focus on the process rather than the exact media. That does indeed leave room for the idea that memory is more than the process of encoding storage and retrieval, Meaning in it's simplest forum it is captured moment that has been pull from it original specific time and space and stored to be accessed at our will. In the end the how 'we' as trans dimensional beings do this is irrelevant as the moment can not exist outside of our memory.
Do you understand? retard version: Just because you can explain how we can capture a moment of time and space pull it from existence and store it outside of it's orginial time and space, and later access it does not make it any less trans dimensional act. Your little brain has not been told it is ok to think of things that way by people you respect. in the end to relive a past moment through a very good memory is to experience a trans dimensional moment because that moment does not belong to this space or time.

Again just because you can semi explain how it works does not mean a memory is a moment of displaced time and space. Your scientific sin is to assume the mundane can not fit in the realm of fantastical just because you feel you have mastery over a principle or idea.

said a person with a closed mind desperately trying to close a subject without any explanation or reason other than "i said so and I am going to trivialize and make fun of the way I don't automatically think. Seriously besides trivializing my idea what is your actual objection?

Good glob you can't be that stupid as to think that is what I said. I said we pull a moment from time and space and store it. I am saying memory as however you wish to explain it works scientifically at it's core allow us not this body but out disembodies consciousness to go back in to that time and space and relive or examine that moment. that's what makes us trans dimensional beings. we don't have to go back we capture a moment out side of time and space and at will our core selves can revist it. while our physical self remain in this time and space.


there is no condition here it is an observation that if something as difficult as a memory can qualify then something that better fits the definition qualifies that much more.

I did not say brains are trans dimensional moron, I said the dream world is. The reason Dream space can be considered a different dimension is because it a place where consciousness can exist outside of what in going on here in the waking world. maybe you don't understand this is a matter of philosophy not science

and here is where you mind closed.. the word dimension has at least 20 different aspects or meanings and you have zeroed into only one. for you this word can only mean the one thing when in fact it is used to specifically divide this waking world into spiritual and or even dream world. It can simple describe a point of consciousness existence outside of a specific moment and time. Yes our bodies may remain but out consciousness can wander in a waking dream or memory, this excape from here and now is what makes us a dual core being have a conscious state separate from our physical form.
content of dreams and memories are immaterial despite how we physically capture these moments or project our selves into the dream world.. Again just because you have an idea how something works does not mean or necessitate a change in the philosophical understand of what is happening.

all I've taken is reality with an open mind and looked at it from a few different angels.

 Intrinsically nope.

why should I be any more surprised? Ever hear of the resurrection? Jesus when He died on the cross over came death, as Christ arose from the dead he has the power to raise those who follow him from the dead as well. Then everyone will be raise, then be judged and then sentenced to Heaven and or Hell. Nothing in the bible says we will burn in Hell forever. the bible says hell his forever and Satan and his angels are slated to burn forever, but we won't last in hell forever, over time we will be consumed by the hell fire. This according to the bible is known as the second death. So no again we do not intrinsically live forever.


So you're OK with self-identifying as a trans dimensional, immortal, immaterial entity which will be reincarnated on another planet?

duh... why do you think I am taking the pro position?
By definition God is a trans dimensional being, by definition heaven and Hell are of a different dimension, after the resurrection God is promised to make a new heaven and a new earth for us to live on. Everything you said here is foretold in the bible just by a different name. Just because we use different words than they did 2000 years ago doesnt mean anything is invalidated, it just means we need to keep up with the modern lingo.

Something you failed to do when the word dimension is used.

If we agree, then why are we arguing?  I think you're very courageous to self-identify as a transdimensional, immortal, immaterial entity which is awaiting reincarnation on another planet.

I wasn't arguing if you read your response I have been pro this whole time, you are the one who has been arguing. as you just now get how modern word can apply to God. I do how ever have a sneaky feeling you don't understand that men like hawking were/are working on mathematical proof for multi dimensions. I thin to you these are still fringe science words. used to mock and belittle.. You people in 1991 would be proud, however if and when you catch up to the rest of us you will note none of these things are off the table as far as science is now concerned as possible options or future destinations for man himself.. So then why would it be so far fetched God has not already done the same?

Think about it by definition if God is real He would be considered a transdimensional being.. where is heaven? where is hell? not on a map? no. it is a parallel time space/universe outside of this one. Which is not outside the realm of scientific possibility.

(January 7, 2019 at 3:11 pm)Drich Wrote:

(January 4, 2019 at 4:28 pm)Nihilist Virus Wrote: If we agree, then why are we arguing?  I think you're very courageous to self-identify as a transdimensional, immortal, immaterial entity which is awaiting reincarnation on another planet.

I wasn't arguing if you read your response I have been pro this whole time, you are the one who has been arguing. as you just now get how modern word can apply to God. I do how ever have a sneaky feeling you don't understand that men like hawking were/are working on mathematical proof for multi dimensions. I thin to you these are still fringe science words. used to mock and belittle.. You people in 1991 would be proud, however if and when you catch up to the rest of us you will note none of these things are off the table as far as science is now concerned as possible options or future destinations for man himself.. So then why would it be so far fetched God has not already done the same?

Think about it by definition if God is real He would be considered a transdimensional being.. where is heaven? where is hell? not on a map? no. it is a parallel time space/universe outside of this one. Which is not outside the realm of scientific possibility.

Um no D.

It does not work like that, not for any religion. That was then, this is now. Nobody, not Christians, not Muslims, not Jews, not Buddhist or Hindus in antiquity had anything close to the modern scientific knowledge our species has today. 

Religions reflect the social norms of the societies they were started in. Holy writings are not scientific method, but merely the bad guesses humans made in antiquity and bought and sold.

(January 7, 2019 at 3:16 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 7, 2019 at 3:11 pm)Drich Wrote: I wasn't arguing if you read your response I have been pro this whole time, you are the one who has been arguing. as you just now get how modern word can apply to God. I do how ever have a sneaky feeling you don't understand that men like hawking were/are working on mathematical proof for multi dimensions. I thin to you these are still fringe science words. used to mock and belittle.. You people in 1991 would be proud, however if and when you catch up to the rest of us you will note none of these things are off the table as far as science is now concerned as possible options or future destinations for man himself.. So then why would it be so far fetched God has not already done the same?

Think about it by definition if God is real He would be considered a transdimensional being.. where is heaven? where is hell? not on a map? no. it is a parallel time space/universe outside of this one. Which is not outside the realm of scientific possibility.

Um no D.

It does not work like that, not for any religion. That was then, this is now. Nobody, not Christians, not Muslims, not Jews, not Buddhist or Hindus in antiquity had anything close to the modern scientific knowledge our species has today. 

Religions reflect the social norms of the societies they were started in. Holy writings are not scientific method, but merely the bad guesses humans made in antiquity and bought and sold.

How do you know?

(January 7, 2019 at 3:16 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 7, 2019 at 3:11 pm)Drich Wrote: I wasn't arguing if you read your response I have been pro this whole time, you are the one who has been arguing. as you just now get how modern word can apply to God. I do how ever have a sneaky feeling you don't understand that men like hawking were/are working on mathematical proof for multi dimensions. I thin to you these are still fringe science words. used to mock and belittle.. You people in 1991 would be proud, however if and when you catch up to the rest of us you will note none of these things are off the table as far as science is now concerned as possible options or future destinations for man himself.. So then why would it be so far fetched God has not already done the same?

Think about it by definition if God is real He would be considered a transdimensional being.. where is heaven? where is hell? not on a map? no. it is a parallel time space/universe outside of this one. Which is not outside the realm of scientific possibility.

Um no D.

It does not work like that, not for any religion. That was then, this is now. Nobody, not Christians, not Muslims, not Jews, not Buddhist or Hindus in antiquity had anything close to the modern scientific knowledge our species has today. 

Religions reflect the social norms of the societies they were started in. Holy writings are not scientific method, but merely the bad guesses humans made in antiquity and bought and sold.

ok... so now take religion and see if the scientific terms fit the definition of any religious phenoma or principles. Scientific terminology works both ways like it or not. Meaning religion may not have the terms embedded in it to align with science but the terms used fit the principles being described in the bible.

It's like call a rose by any other name, it doesn't change the way it smells or looks.

onward christian soldiers

(January 8, 2019 at 12:46 pm)Drich Wrote:

(January 7, 2019 at 3:16 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Um no D.

It does not work like that, not for any religion. That was then, this is now. Nobody, not Christians, not Muslims, not Jews, not Buddhist or Hindus in antiquity had anything close to the modern scientific knowledge our species has today. 

Religions reflect the social norms of the societies they were started in. Holy writings are not scientific method, but merely the bad guesses humans made in antiquity and bought and sold.

ok... so now take religion and see if the scientific terms fit the definition of any religious phenoma or principles. Scientific terminology works both ways like it or not. Meaning religion may not have the terms embedded in it to align with science but the terms used fit the principles being described in the bible.

It's like call a rose by any other name, it doesn't change the way it smells or looks.

Um no, scientific method is not mere faith, it is a tool. Faith does not require testing, falsifying, control groups or independent peer review. All faith requires is liking what someone sold you.

(January 9, 2019 at 1:10 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 8, 2019 at 12:46 pm)Drich Wrote: ok... so now take religion and see if the scientific terms fit the definition of any religious phenoma or principles. Scientific terminology works both ways like it or not. Meaning religion may not have the terms embedded in it to align with science but the terms used fit the principles being described in the bible.

It's like call a rose by any other name, it doesn't change the way it smells or looks.

Um no, scientific method is not mere faith, it is a tool. Faith does not require testing, falsifying, control groups or independent peer review. All faith requires is liking what someone sold you.

Curious, what studies have you done using the scientific method?

Faith doesn’t require falsification, but doesn’t preclude it either. faith and reason are not mutually exclusive as you imply