(January 12, 2019 at 2:20 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(January 11, 2019 at 3:11 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Oh look GC never heard about evidence for the big bang like the background radiation of the universe from the big bang itself and doesn't know that Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe actually a took a picture of our universe as a baby not long ago after the Big Bang.

So maybe if I show him the picture of the early universe



and tell him that over 80 years now scientists can observe the big bang by studying background radiation he'll see that there is indeed evidence for big bang and he'll start abandoning his childish worldview.

 Oh look this guy believes evidence is proof and what he calls back ground radiation is also not proven and no one outside of God knows the bounds of the universe.

GC

The existence of the CMB was predicted and its magnitude was calculated, which is why there were scientists (such as Robert Dickie) who were looking for it.  Where do you think that the CMB comes from?  By the way, you can "watch" the CMB:

Is x% noise on TV due to Big Bang's background radiation?

(January 12, 2019 at 8:37 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(January 11, 2019 at 11:03 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Right, lucky for you beer just "banged" from nothing and made itself.

You I think believe that god always existed.
But you have a problem.
Because if god always existed then he needed time and space to exist in. And if a god can exist there then so can some natural cause of our universe.

Anywhere god can be so can things other than a god.

What could possibly change that view evidence FOR a god however first you have to tell me what you think a god actually is and you keep avoiding that. 
I don't think you know.
I certainly don't know what you think one is.

That is your own flawed explanation.

It's important to realize that time is relative.  You can literally manipulate time.  If you can have more time or less time, then you should be able to logically conclude that you can have a point of no time.

Oh wait, the first thing the Bible does is establish a starting point for time -

In the beginning...

(January 11, 2019 at 5:50 am)Belaqua Wrote: And Copernicus didn't "revive" the knowledge of Alexandria

Lol! In what way he didn't revive the knowledge of Alexandria when he clearly attributed the heliocentric theory to Aristarchus who lived most of his life in Alexandria! Aristarchus entirety of work was lost in a great fire that destroyed the library in Alexandria.

And most of the European rediscovery of ancient world came during the renaissance after the fall of Constantinople when some of the ancient books were brought to Europe.

Here are some other rediscoveries

http://www.nautis.com/the-library-of-ale...knowledge/

(January 12, 2019 at 11:41 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 8:37 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: You I think believe that god always existed.
But you have a problem.
Because if god always existed then he needed time and space to exist in. And if a god can exist there then so can some natural cause of our universe.

Anywhere god can be so can things other than a god.

What could possibly change that view evidence FOR a god however first you have to tell me what you think a god actually is and you keep avoiding that. 
I don't think you know.
I certainly don't know what you think one is.

That is your own flawed explanation.

It's important to realize that time is relative.  You can literally manipulate time.  If you can have more time or less time, then you should be able to logically conclude that you can have a point of no time.

Oh wait, the first thing the Bible does is establish a starting point for time -

In the beginning...

Quote:The idea that God created the universe out of nothing (creatio ex nihilo) has become central to Judaism, Christianity and Islam, but it is not found directly in Genesis, nor in the entire Hebrew Bible.[4][2][5] According to Gerhard May, the Priestly authors of Genesis 1, writing around 500–400 BCE, had been concerned not with the origins of matter (the material which God formed into the habitable cosmos), but with the fixing of destinies. This was still the situation in the early 2nd century CE, although early Christian scholars were beginning to see a tension between the idea of world-formation and the omnipotence of God. By the beginning of the 3rd century this tension was resolved, world-formation was overcome, and creation ex nihilo had become a fundamental tenet of Christian theology.[6]

Wikipedia -- Genesis 1:1

(January 12, 2019 at 12:40 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 11:41 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: That is your own flawed explanation.

It's important to realize that time is relative.  You can literally manipulate time.  If you can have more time or less time, then you should be able to logically conclude that you can have a point of no time.

Oh wait, the first thing the Bible does is establish a starting point for time -

In the beginning...

Quote:The idea that God created the universe out of nothing (creatio ex nihilo) has become central to Judaism, Christianity and Islam, but it is not found directly in Genesis, nor in the entire Hebrew Bible.[4][2][5] According to Gerhard May, the Priestly authors of Genesis 1, writing around 500–400 BCE, had been concerned not with the origins of matter (the material which God formed into the habitable cosmos), but with the fixing of destinies. This was still the situation in the early 2nd century CE, although early Christian scholars were beginning to see a tension between the idea of world-formation and the omnipotence of God. By the beginning of the 3rd century this tension was resolved, world-formation was overcome, and creation ex nihilo had become a fundamental tenet of Christian theology.[6]

Wikipedia -- Genesis 1:1

"According to Gerhard May..."

Not an authority, so little to no value.

(January 12, 2019 at 1:17 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 12:40 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Wikipedia -- Genesis 1:1

"According to Gerhard May..."

Not an authority, so little to no value.

Gerhard May -- German Theologian

Jebus will never come back. At least the Jebus of The Bible as he is fictional and wasn’t here a first time.

(January 12, 2019 at 1:54 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 1:17 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: "According to Gerhard May..."

Not an authority, so little to no value.

Gerhard May -- German Theologian

I know who he is.  Again, not an authority.

Additionally, I don't know that anybody asserted "creatio ex nihilo" in this thread, and it's certainly not "central" as stated in your post.

(January 12, 2019 at 11:41 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 8:37 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: You I think believe that god always existed.
But you have a problem.
Because if god always existed then he needed time and space to exist in. And if a god can exist there then so can some natural cause of our universe.

Anywhere god can be so can things other than a god.

What could possibly change that view evidence FOR a god however first you have to tell me what you think a god actually is and you keep avoiding that. 
I don't think you know.
I certainly don't know what you think one is.

That is your own flawed explanation.

It's important to realize that time is relative.  You can literally manipulate time.  If you can have more time or less time, then you should be able to logically conclude that you can have a point of no time.

Oh wait, the first thing the Bible does is establish a starting point for time -

In the beginning...

Actually the bible should have started with, "Once upon a time."

(January 12, 2019 at 2:18 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 11:41 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: That is your own flawed explanation.

It's important to realize that time is relative.  You can literally manipulate time.  If you can have more time or less time, then you should be able to logically conclude that you can have a point of no time.

Oh wait, the first thing the Bible does is establish a starting point for time -

In the beginning...

Actually the bible should have started with, "Once upon a time."

You could always put that at the beginning of all your posts.