(January 14, 2019 at 3:18 am)Angelina Wrote:

(January 13, 2019 at 9:35 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: This is a circular argument.

"My god exists, therefore, everything that exists is created by my god".

Things that exist, including life and self awareness, are only evidence for life and self awareness, and other things, existing. The cause of those things, like a god, has to be demonstrated.

It is NOT "my" God. God is the God of the entire world, whether you personally choose to accept it or not. Life and self-awareness, pleasure and pain, as well as all our senses. prove beyond any doubt that a Higher Power than mere human beings was the creator of us all. The fact that we have all of those traits is the demonstration of it, and God is being demonstrated all over the place. Open your eyes.

The fact that we, as human beings, enjoy telling wild, fantastic, creative stories is evidence that we created every god that has ever been spoken about, including "your" god.

There are plenty of gods that people worship.

There is a god eater named Ramu. He is the only god there is because he devoured all the other gods.

I am willing to bet that you don't believe in Ramu.
And your non belief in Ramu makes you an atheist in my eyes.

Every theist out there is 99.99% atheist.

(January 14, 2019 at 11:39 am)Rahn127 Wrote:

(January 14, 2019 at 3:18 am)Angelina Wrote: It is NOT "my" God. God is the God of the entire world, whether you personally choose to accept it or not. Life and self-awareness, pleasure and pain, as well as all our senses. prove beyond any doubt that a Higher Power than mere human beings was the creator of us all. The fact that we have all of those traits is the demonstration of it, and God is being demonstrated all over the place. Open your eyes.

The fact that we, as human beings, enjoy telling wild, fantastic, creative stories is evidence that we created every god that has ever been spoken about, including "your" god.

There are plenty of gods that people worship.

There is a god eater named Ramu. He is the only god there is because he devoured all the other gods.

I am willing to bet that you don't believe in Ramu.
And your non belief in Ramu makes you an atheist in my eyes.

Every theist out there is 99.99% atheist.

I'm definitely not an atheist.

(January 14, 2019 at 11:40 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 14, 2019 at 11:39 am)Rahn127 Wrote: The fact that we, as human beings, enjoy telling wild, fantastic, creative stories is evidence that we created every god that has ever been spoken about, including "your" god.

There are plenty of gods that people worship.

There is a god eater named Ramu. He is the only god there is because he devoured all the other gods.

I am willing to bet that you don't believe in Ramu.
And your non belief in Ramu makes you an atheist in my eyes.

Every theist out there is 99.99% atheist.

I'm definitely not an atheist.

I know I'm going to regret asking you a question, but do you believe that every god that has ever been dreamed up actually exists ?
Or perhaps do you lack a belief in all those other gods, but only believe in yours ?

(January 14, 2019 at 1:26 pm)Rahn127 Wrote:

(January 14, 2019 at 11:40 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: I'm definitely not an atheist.

I know I'm going to regret asking you a question, but do you believe that every god that has ever been dreamed up actually exists ?
Or perhaps do you lack a belief in all those other gods, but only believe in yours ?

I know where you are trying to go, but to have a lack of faith or belief in all gods is not the same as having a lack of faith or belief in all gods but one. It is feasible to believe every single god mentioned exists yet withhold worship to all but one. The believer need not withhold belief, but only worship. Heck even 'You shall have no other gods before me' could even be said to presuppose them.

I've always been a little cautious of that argument for that reason, it's a bit like saying you are a 99% none football fan because you only a fan of one team.

I'm more i favour of asking why a person believes in one god, while at the same time rejecting all the other gods.

(January 14, 2019 at 3:18 am)Angelina Wrote:

(January 13, 2019 at 9:35 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: This is a circular argument.

"My god exists, therefore, everything that exists is created by my god".

Things that exist, including life and self awareness, are only evidence for life and self awareness, and other things, existing. The cause of those things, like a god, has to be demonstrated.

It is NOT "my" God. God is the God of the entire world, whether you personally choose to accept it or not. Life and self-awareness, pleasure and pain, as well as all our senses. prove beyond any doubt that a Higher Power than mere human beings was the creator of us all. The fact that we have all of those traits is the demonstration of it, and God is being demonstrated all over the place. Open your eyes.

It is NOT "my" FSM. FSM is the FSM of the entire world, whether you personally choose to accept it or not. Life and self-awareness, pleasure and pain, as well as all our senses. prove beyond any doubt that a Higher Power than mere human beings was the creator of us all. The fact that we have all of those traits is the demonstration of it, and FSM is being demonstrated all over the place. Open your eyes.


RAmen

(January 14, 2019 at 1:26 pm)Rahn127 Wrote:

(January 14, 2019 at 11:40 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: I'm definitely not an atheist.

I know I'm going to regret asking you a question, but do you believe that every god that has ever been dreamed up actually exists ?
Or perhaps do you lack a belief in all those other gods, but only believe in yours ?

I haven't looked.  Maybe they do, maybe they don't.  Not an atheist.

(January 14, 2019 at 8:08 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 14, 2019 at 1:26 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: I know I'm going to regret asking you a question, but do you believe that every god that has ever been dreamed up actually exists ?
Or perhaps do you lack a belief in all those other gods, but only believe in yours ?

I haven't looked.  Maybe they do, maybe they don't.  Not an atheist.

Maybe you're an atheist. Maybe you're not.
What's your stance on gravity ? For or against ?

(January 14, 2019 at 10:27 pm)Rahn127 Wrote:

(January 14, 2019 at 8:08 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: I haven't looked.  Maybe they do, maybe they don't.  Not an atheist.

Maybe you're an atheist. Maybe you're not.
What's your stance on gravity ?  For or against ?

I'm good with gravity.  Still not an atheist.

(January 14, 2019 at 8:08 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 14, 2019 at 1:26 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: I know I'm going to regret asking you a question, but do you believe that every god that has ever been dreamed up actually exists ?
Or perhaps do you lack a belief in all those other gods, but only believe in yours ?

I haven't looked.  Maybe they do, maybe they don't.  Not an atheist.

If you currently are not convinced that any god or gods exist, you are an atheist, by definition. Stop being so hung up on the word/label, and try to understand the concept.

If you are convinced that at least one god exists, you are a theist, by definition.

There is no middle ground between being convinced, and not being convinced.

MAX stands for

Maybe
Anything
X (unknown)

Max is a maybe on anything.
He's a complete unknown variable X.