(January 5, 2019 at 8:22 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 5, 2019 at 7:55 am)LastPoet Wrote: Lol, IMHO Max is not a troll. He is like the theist version of Hammy. Bloats threads in that particular way.

@M4x: do you have a brother that is atheist and lives in the UK?

Bloating?  Not intentionally, but I don't have a magic wand to make some people stop bothering me with the same nonsense repeatedly, when I ask them nicely to let it go.  It's not only annoying, but it's boring.  Guess I could block them, but not really my thing.

Oh really? That explains why you have me on ignore. Yet another say one thing, do another Christian.

(January 5, 2019 at 7:16 am)GGG Wrote: "Is atheism a belief? "

yeah its belief.- i don't    believe   in god

So not having $10,000, 000 makes you rich ?

(January 5, 2019 at 12:21 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(January 5, 2019 at 7:16 am)GGG Wrote: "Is atheism a belief? "

yeah its belief.- i don't    believe   in god

So not having $10,000, 000 makes you rich ?

How much $ does someone need to have to be rich?

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(January 5, 2019 at 8:52 am)Deesse23 Wrote:

(January 5, 2019 at 7:06 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

I didnt bring this BS definition up, you did. You gave the criteria, and they were pretty darn clear, werent they? Too bad you suck at playing your own game by your own rules.
But you dont care anyhow, do you, because you cheat (lie) anyway when you cant argue yourself out of your selfmade paperbag? So why bother about playing properly, when you can, at any time you want, morph into a pidgeon and fly to the chessboard....

You are basically facepalming yourself. Like Trump, i have to tell you, people arent laughing with you now.

What are you talking about?  I was asked a question and responded.  There was and is no game.  If there is to you, then you made it up in your head.

There is no "self-made" paperbag.  It's a conversation I already stated I didn't even want to have because of people chasing their tail over something simple at the beginning.

Start using your head.  You can't get anywhere logically if you sit in a box of your own bias and other nonsense and refuse to look out.

(December 26, 2018 at 1:01 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(December 26, 2018 at 12:31 am)Dimmesdale Wrote: I would also say that atheism in itself is not religious in anyway, but in it's relationship and application to people, it has religious overtones. At least in potential.

When you figure out how to pay your bills with the "potential" for money, you be sure to let us know.

Credit...

Short answer: No, atheism is not a belief.

Longer answer: Atheism is a belief as much as bald is a hair cut, off is a tv channel or virginity is a sex position.  Atheism is simply not holding or having a belief in god. It's not saying you know there isn't a god, or you're stating that there certainly isn't one. You're simply saying you do not buy into the proposition of god. You have not provided evidence of a god, therefore I have no reason to believe there is one. Period. Nothing more.

All this is, is using semantics as a round-a-bout way of attempting to get atheists to admit that atheism is a belief, because if it is a belief then it requires faith, and if it requires faith then us atheists must have faith, and if us atheists have faith then clearly we're using our faith to tell us there isn't a god as much as you're telling yourself there is one, and if we're both saying that then guess what? It's a wash! I have faith, you have faith, we have faith, he and she have faith! We all have faith! So you might as well use that faith to believe in god instead of not believing in one, silly atheist!

Let me stop you right there. It is not a belief. It does not require faith to NOT believe in god. Just like it does not require faith for you to NOT believe in magical space elves. You've never seen magical space elves, there's no evidence of magical space elves, so you simply live your life as if they're not there.

You are wrong. Atheism is not a belief. Can we please stop having this ridiculous debate? Theists make themselves look incredibly stupid when trying this disingenuous nonsense and you make the conversations we have about religion harder because of it. Grow up. Provide evidence for your claim and then we can talk.

/End of fucking thread.

(January 22, 2019 at 11:17 pm)PRJA93 Wrote: Short answer: No, atheism is not a belief.

Longer answer: Atheism is a belief as much as bald is a hair cut, off is a tv channel or virginity is a sex position.  Atheism is simply not holding or having a belief in god. It's not saying you know there isn't a god, or you're stating that there certainly isn't one. You're simply saying you do not buy into the proposition of god. You have not provided evidence of a god, therefore I have no reason to believe there is one. Period. Nothing more.

All this is, is using semantics as a round-a-bout way of attempting to get atheists to admit that atheism is a belief, because if it is a belief then it requires faith, and if it requires faith then us atheists must have faith, and if us atheists have faith then clearly we're using our faith to tell us there isn't a god as much as you're telling yourself there is one, and if we're both saying that then guess what? It's a wash! I have faith, you have faith, we have faith, he and she have faith! We all have faith! So you might as well use that faith to believe in god instead of not believing in one, silly atheist!

Let me stop you right there. It is not a belief. It does not require faith to NOT believe in god. Just like it does not require faith for you to NOT believe in magical space elves. You've never seen magical space elves, there's no evidence of magical space elves, so you simply live your life as if they're not there.

You are wrong. Atheism is not a belief. Can we please stop having this ridiculous debate? Theists make themselves look incredibly stupid when trying this disingenuous nonsense and you make the conversations we have about religion harder because of it. Grow up. Provide evidence for your claim and then we can talk.

/End of fucking thread.

They also seem to devalue their own position by trying to equate a position of faith, with one of the absence of religious faith. 
Normally with a position of a faith, a theist would say they have a "relationship" (with their god of choice), and possibly would have other things to say about that, ie "additional features or benefits". In trying to equate the theist position with one that includes none of that, .. ie no relationship, no "other benefits", it seems they are saying their position is equivalent in a practical sense, to "nothing". I doubt they really realize what they are saying.

Is not stamp collecting a hobby? Asking cause my kids keep asking me to get a hobby and if so I've got millions of hobbies. There's all sorts of shit I don't do.

(December 9, 2018 at 9:51 am)Agnostico Wrote: Whenever I say that atheism is based on belief just like theism is I get a strong rejection from atheists. 
Some give me these twisted definitions while others claim that i cannot be agnostic without being an atheist.

So I want to start by getting the definition correct.
Am I right in saying atheists "believe there are no Gods" or "don't believe there are Gods"?
Am I right in saying atheism is based on belief? If yes then why do so many atheists reject this?
If not then Why? What is it then based on?

Both.

An Atheist can be:

1-Some one who knows God does not exist.
2-Some one who believes God does not exist.
3-An atheist can also be someone, who doesn't believe or know one way or the other. His lack of belief one way or the other, would still classify him as an atheist, since he doesn't posses a belief in God, like the other two examples.

Some people might know I'm not single.
Some people might believe I'm not single.
And some people might not believe or know one way or the other.

What they all have in common, is that they a lack a belief in that I'm married.

Atheism is label that can incapsulate all three under one umbrella.

It's more akin to be forced to listen to people talk about their travel plans to go to Atlantis. Always planning, raising more money for plans, talking about the plans, getting rid of the old plans and coming up with new plans but only going to Atlantis at death.

We get a new definition of "atheism" all the time, so it just depends who you ask and what definition they're using.