(March 8, 2019 at 11:39 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: What a nut.

Name calling shows you have nothing else to offer. Just trying to harass me off the site.

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(March 8, 2019 at 11:47 am)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(March 8, 2019 at 11:23 am)CDF47 Wrote: Again, functional genetic code proves design.

You've been reasserting this since page one..but have never gotten past the assertion phase, never engaged.  

The assertion itself is demonstrably false, even if the claim of being designed by a god were true.  

Quote:I am simply not sure about the extent of randomness inside the universe.  I don't think anyone is.

I am not a nut.  That is all you can do is name call.  I did not contradict myself in this thread.  I simply do not know the extent of randomness.  Big deal.

You've repeatedly expressed your beliefs in an atheistic scientific conspiracy, and I could..at any point, go back to posting your contradictory statements side by side as I did previously.

You're a nut.  

Quote:I am not a beheite.  There are molecular machines.  That is not disputed.

And?

Quote:I think I would keep everything exactly the same.  I spoke the truth in this thread and I stand by my points that I made.

Then you're failing this very important subject, failing god, and failing yourself. You couldn't even manage to speak the truth in this post, let alone the thread.

It's okay for you to think we were designed. You're going to think that no matter what, you're a nut. However, when repeatedly confronted with the failure of an assertion on factual grounds.... the thing to do, in pursuit of honesty or truth, is accept that the reason you've given for that belief was in error. There may be some other reason, a good reason, even, to believe the things that nutters believe...but if there is, this assertion simply isn't one of them.

Yeah, keep up the name calling. My statement is true for the reasons I stated.

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(March 8, 2019 at 12:11 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(March 8, 2019 at 11:23 am)CDF47 Wrote: I have an opposing opinion from people here is all.  An eternally important one in my opinion.  Isn't this the sort of discussions people should be having on a site like this though?  Listening to and discussing opposing views?

Tell us, CDF, if that is such an eternally important thing about the world, about reality, don't you think that the designer would be a bit more keen on making everyone see how obvious it is?
Instead, we get you. Spouting biased views on top of biased views, unable to discern belief from knowledge. Don't you think the alleged designer of a system such as the DNA, who would make it important for us humans to acknowledge its existence, would also have made it obvious, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that it exists?
The absence of such a mechanism tells us one of two things:
1. There is no designer
2. The designer doesn't care if we believe that it exists, or not

Either way, you're wrong.

The Designer does exist and does care about His design. He is active in the design as new information is added to living systems creating new types of systems (species,...).

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(March 8, 2019 at 2:43 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: @CDF47

You don’t discuss. You assert, and repeat.

Carry on.

I just respond to the statements made. Sometimes it can be repetitive.

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(March 8, 2019 at 5:14 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(March 8, 2019 at 11:23 am)CDF47 Wrote: Again, functional genetic code proves design.

You keep making this claim. At no point have you moved beyond making the claim.

Where is this proof? Can you show it to us? No, of course you can't. All you can do is make the claim over and over and over and....

Watch the video(s) in my signature or read OP for how it works. Plus I mentioned it numerous times in this thread.

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(March 8, 2019 at 5:20 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(March 8, 2019 at 9:30 am)CDF47 Wrote: Everything in the universe is designed.  It just all does not contain functional codes like the genetic code which proves design.  It is also not all fine tuned like the universe constants,...

So then your god is not omnipotent.
He has to make life happen in the universal constant's range.
Kind of a stupid limited deity. If he were a real deity, he could make life happen in any environment.

This is the beautul environment He designed (there is great beauty and wonder in the design and construct of this universe, galaxy, solar system, and planet).

(March 8, 2019 at 8:39 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(March 8, 2019 at 5:14 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: You keep making this claim. At no point have you moved beyond making the claim.

Where is this proof? Can you show it to us? No, of course you can't. All you can do is make the claim over and over and over and....

Watch the video(s) in my signature or read OP for how it works. Plus I mentioned it numerous times in this thread.

How many times must I tell you that I have done so?

How many times must I tell you that I found them to be without merit or any redeeming quality?

How many times must you be told that "Watch this youtube" is not a cogent argument?

Seems to me that you fit all of the requirements for "troll", no?

(March 8, 2019 at 9:31 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(March 8, 2019 at 8:39 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Watch the video(s) in my signature or read OP for how it works. Plus I mentioned it numerous times in this thread.

How many times must I tell you that I have done so?

How many times must I tell you that I found them to be without merit or any redeeming quality?

How many times must you be told that "Watch this youtube" is not a cogent argument?

Seems to me that you fit all of the requirements for "troll", no?

A troll deliberately intends to get a rise out of people. They lie. I am not a troll nor have I lied once in this thread.

(March 8, 2019 at 11:04 pm)CDF47 Wrote: A troll deliberately intends to get a rise out of people. They lie. I am not a troll nor have I lied once in this thread.

 Well.... your above statement is 50% on the money CDF47.

Though the fact that I can remember multiple people in multiple posts back through this thread first correcting and then continuing to explain to you the 'Man from monkeys' fallacy you've kept posting would bely one aspect of your reply.

Care to hedge which one of the two that might be?

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(March 8, 2019 at 9:44 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(March 7, 2019 at 11:32 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Must admit though.

At this point CDF47 isn't actually really 'Engaging' with folks. Though they are still a wolrd above interacting with things like Drich and MistarAbbots80-something.

They're pretty much just posting 'Nuh-uh!' and 'I'm right and you're a poopy head."

Well, maybe not the Poopy head aspect but still.

A whole lot of nothing but repeated assertions with nothing but the same, poor, discredited/debunkt pieces of information.

That's the sad part. The discoveries in science keep marching on but the sources CDF47 trots out? They aren't progressing or leanring anything new, like, ever.

At best you'll hear/read CDF47's pot make something up waaaay after the fact. Like a couple of years. Or, if they are on point, their undestanding is so poor they make a comeplete hash out of it any way.

CDF47.

Is sad that you can't let go of your.... 'Dreams' and even try to understand the world around you.

Just following the facts where they lead and those facts aren't always what the TV tells me they are.

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 Except...we keep pointing out how your 'facts' don't actually match up with what's true in th world around us... so there's that.

(March 8, 2019 at 8:39 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(March 8, 2019 at 12:11 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Tell us, CDF, if that is such an eternally important thing about the world, about reality, don't you think that the designer would be a bit more keen on making everyone see how obvious it is?
Instead, we get you. Spouting biased views on top of biased views, unable to discern belief from knowledge. Don't you think the alleged designer of a system such as the DNA, who would make it important for us humans to acknowledge its existence, would also have made it obvious, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that it exists?
The absence of such a mechanism tells us one of two things:
1. There is no designer
2. The designer doesn't care if we believe that it exists, or not

Either way, you're wrong.

The Designer does exist and does care about His design. He is active in the design as new information is added to living systems creating new types of systems (species,...).

You have no way of knowing any of that, so it's just a belief you hold. A belief that's been passed in to you by people, who got it from other people, and who got it from yet other people....people...people... People!
Those people back then had no knowledge of the DNA, so they believed in the creator, because they had no better guess at the mechanism that got us to be on this planet.
You have access to a much better guess, supported by tons of evidence... And yet, your brainwashed brain refuses it and still clings to the belief from old times.

Keep working on discerning knowledge from belief. You are still unable to do so.

(March 8, 2019 at 11:04 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(March 8, 2019 at 9:31 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: How many times must I tell you that I have done so?

How many times must I tell you that I found them to be without merit or any redeeming quality?

How many times must you be told that "Watch this youtube" is not a cogent argument?

Seems to me that you fit all of the requirements for "troll", no?

A troll deliberately intends to get a rise out of people. They lie. I am not a troll nor have I lied once in this thread.

Does it? How would you know? And you have lied continuously throughout this thread right from it's inception. You are a standing advertisement for why one should not believe unless one is prepared to become utterly immoral.

(March 9, 2019 at 1:00 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:

(March 8, 2019 at 11:04 pm)CDF47 Wrote: A troll deliberately intends to get a rise out of people. They lie. I am not a troll nor have I lied once in this thread.

 Well.... your above statement is 50% on the money CDF47.

Though the fact that I can remember multiple people in multiple posts back through this thread first correcting and then continuing to explain to you the 'Man from monkeys' fallacy you've kept posting would bely one aspect of your reply.

Care to hedge which one of the two that might be?

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(March 8, 2019 at 9:44 am)CDF47 Wrote: Just following the facts where they lead and those facts aren't always what the TV tells me they are.

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 Except...we keep pointing out how your 'facts' don't actually match up with what's true in th world around us... so there's that.

We just disagree on DNA proving design and a multiverse.

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(March 9, 2019 at 2:48 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(March 8, 2019 at 8:39 pm)CDF47 Wrote: The Designer does exist and does care about His design. He is active in the design as new information is added to living systems creating new types of systems (species,...).

You have no way of knowing any of that, so it's just a belief you hold. A belief that's been passed in to you by people, who got it from other people, and who got it from yet other people....people...people... People!
Those people back then had no knowledge of the DNA, so they believed in the creator, because they had no better guess at the mechanism that got us to be on this planet.
You have access to a much better guess, supported by tons of evidence... And yet, your brainwashed brain refuses it and still clings to the belief from old times.

Keep working on discerning knowledge from belief. You are still unable to do so.

Yes, I do know that since new living systems need new (often upgraded) information.

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(March 9, 2019 at 3:21 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(March 8, 2019 at 11:04 pm)CDF47 Wrote: A troll deliberately intends to get a rise out of people. They lie. I am not a troll nor have I lied once in this thread.

Does it? How would you know? And you have lied continuously throughout this thread right from it's inception. You are a standing advertisement for why one should not believe unless one is prepared to become utterly immoral.

Re-post a post where I lied. Good luck. Calling me a liar is a false accusation.

DNA is evidence that there is no designer.

DNA is a system that along with evolution by natural selection negates the requirement for a designer.
The interactions of random mutations. The causes of which are known to science and chemicals (DNA) which are also known to science, explain all life without requiring any other intervention.
We even have valid and testable ideas of how this came to be abiogenesis.


I do know what CDF will say in response this he will just parrot the same thing he has always done and was told by his pastor , reverend,rabbi, imam or whatever.

But can I just say for this one moment I have posted last and so am winning.

(March 9, 2019 at 4:47 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(March 9, 2019 at 1:00 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:  Well.... your above statement is 50% on the money CDF47.

Though the fact that I can remember multiple people in multiple posts back through this thread first correcting and then continuing to explain to you the 'Man from monkeys' fallacy you've kept posting would bely one aspect of your reply.

Care to hedge which one of the two that might be?

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 Except...we keep pointing out how your 'facts' don't actually match up with what's true in th world around us... so there's that.

We just disagree on DNA proving design and a multiverse.

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 Yes. We do disagree on how DNA proves design of a Universe.

I know that's not an exact quote... Nor even a close paraphrase BUT your reply CDF47... actually leaves a lot to be desired.

I;m not sure if it's been hedged before but... Is Enligh not your first language?

I know it's my second language (Bad English being my first. ) Or, like me, might you just be a poor speller?

EDIT: Whoah! There's a side step I missed!

So... CDF47... care to explain which of your two statements were incorrect?

(March 9, 2019 at 4:47 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(March 9, 2019 at 2:48 am)pocaracas Wrote: You have no way of knowing any of that, so it's just a belief you hold. A belief that's been passed in to you by people, who got it from other people, and who got it from yet other people....people...people... People!
Those people back then had no knowledge of the DNA, so they believed in the creator, because they had no better guess at the mechanism that got us to be on this planet.
You have access to a much better guess, supported by tons of evidence... And yet, your brainwashed brain refuses it and still clings to the belief from old times.

Keep working on discerning knowledge from belief. You are still unable to do so.

Yes, I do know that since new living systems need new (often upgraded) information.

I remember you accepting micro evolution. Could not successive micro steps lead to a macro step that would, afterwards, look as if new information had been added?
Or have you found a mechanism in DNA that prevents such larger changes over many many generations?