(March 16, 2019 at 6:09 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:

(March 16, 2019 at 5:55 pm)CDF47 Wrote: No Satan rebelled and gathered an army with him.

 Okay CDF47.

Let's chat about this.

How did the Satan rebel?

I mean, really? HOW do you rebel against the very thing that created litterally everything?

Secondly... why didn't something (That you keep repeating is the ultimate POWAR) some how manage to,

A) Not know that Satan was going to rebel?
B) Not manage to stop Satan rebelling?

Y'know, since your deity created the very thing that then turned around and gave it the middle finger.
Like, totally, litterally Satan stands against EVERYthing that your diety holds dear, dose Satan not?

 How does that work?

How does a diety either (A) Fek up so bad such that their direct underlings walk out on them.

And (B) Allow them to both get away with walking away BUT not stopping them nor brining them back into the fold?

 How does the idea of Satan make any sense?

 Not at work.

If Satan could rebel against god there are three options 

God was so stupid he didn't see it coming 
God was so vile one of his most loyal servant would turn against him 
God was so short sighted he didn't think of consequences of creating such a being

The CDFster says it's not delusional.

I can buy that if:

(A) Momma CDF ate paint chips aplenty, while carrying #47.
(2) #47 is from an alien world, and this planet's atmosphere is like crack, to its particular species.

(March 16, 2019 at 5:42 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(March 16, 2019 at 3:28 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: He has a wrath?

Tell him to go to a pharmacy and get a good ointment.

He laughs at those that mock Him I believe. He is the judge. It is best to accept Jesus as Lord and savior and be saved from damnation.

And I laugh at such weak attempts to threaten me.

It's like a new ager threatening to punch my "aura".

@Amorak

The notion of the devil being a fallen angel (Lucifer) is part of Jewish tradition. As to how he could rebel; jews and Christians tend to agree on free will. I've always had a problem with that; God is omniscient, which means all knowing .He knows absolutely how his creations will behave, from first to last breath.To me, knowing the future abrogates free will. if I have this wrong , I hope one of our resident philosophers will explain my error . (no, really)

The Christian concept of the devil/ satan, has been lifted directly from Greek/ Roman religion*. The devil is no more than the harmless and good time god Pan.

*as with a bunch of other things ,including Jesus' birthday 25 December: Winter Solstice, pinched from the worship of The Sun God, Deus Sol Invictus, the invincible sun god (including halos)

Reading your post put me in mind of Epicurus and the existence of evil:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”

― Epicurus

@CDF47

Just for your information, although I suspect you won't bother:

Below is a link to an edited version of the 1948 Russell/Copleton radio debate on the existence of God. It is between philosopher Bertrand Russell(atheist) and Frederick Copleton, Jesuit philosopher. ( believer) I offer this because the arguments you present are long on claims but short on reason and rational thought. I urge you to listen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXPdpEJk78E

(March 16, 2019 at 5:50 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(March 16, 2019 at 5:44 pm)Amarok Wrote: No he rages like any despot .No one cares what you believe. No it isn't because damnation is better then serving your deranged sky tyrant even if he existed .

He is not a tyrant or a bully.

Hypocrite! Have you read the Book of Job lately?

(March 16, 2019 at 5:38 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(March 16, 2019 at 3:22 pm)TwoKnives99 Wrote: Long story short, the article in the New Scientist and by extension the AJHG article talks about Albert Perry, a black South Carolina man, DNA’s technicians tried to place Perry on the Y-chromosome family tree, they just couldn’t. His Y chromosome was like no other so far analysed.  Perry did not descend from the genetic Adam. In fact, his Y chromosome was so distinct that his male lineage probably separated from all others about 338,000 years ago.

It concludes that mt-Eve lived 140,000 prior to Y-Adam 

It doesn't disproven a literal Adam and Eve.

Regardless, it counters your assertion that mt-Eve and Y-Adam are the biblical Adam and Eve

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(March 16, 2019 at 5:54 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Your knee will bow and you will one day confess Christ as Lord.

This is just pure arrogance from your end.

You have attempted to convert these atheists. It's not working.

A good Christian spreads the word of God sure, but don't shove it down their throats man

Every man, woman, child we manage to convert is a good thing. IMO as a Christian myself.

But if they're obviously not gonna change their minds, do not get patronising and all high and mighty

Leave them and back off, boy

After all, no Christian knows God exists, they only believe God exists.

For we all know, the End Times could come and we could be bending our knees to our Lord and Saviour, SpongeBob

(March 16, 2019 at 6:05 pm)Amarok Wrote:

(March 16, 2019 at 6:03 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Agree to disagree.

Nope it's a fact that if he made Satan he's 100% responsible . You don't get to be the creator of the universe and bare no responsibility for your creations actions .Thus your god has right or business making demands as he's proven he's either evil or an idiot .If he exists at all .

He exists and knows all. It is wise to fear the Lord. Yes, of course love and trust but also a healthy amount of fear.

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(March 16, 2019 at 6:09 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:

(March 16, 2019 at 5:55 pm)CDF47 Wrote: No Satan rebelled and gathered an army with him.

 Okay CDF47.

Let's chat about this.

How did the Satan rebel?

I mean, really? HOW do you rebel against the very thing that created litterally everything?

Secondly... why didn't something (That you keep repeating is the ultimate POWAR) some how manage to,

A) Not know that Satan was going to rebel?
B) Not manage to stop Satan rebelling?

Y'know, since your deity created the very thing that then turned around and gave it the middle finger.
Like, totally, litterally Satan stands against EVERYthing that your diety holds dear, dose Satan not?

 How does that work?

How does a diety either (A) Fek up so bad such that their direct underlings walk out on them.

And (B) Allow them to both get away with walking away BUT not stopping them nor brining them back into the fold?

 How does the idea of Satan make any sense?

 Not at work.

He was a high ranking cherub who grew pride in his heart and turned against his Creator. He had the free will to do that just like we can choose God or not. There are no fence sitters from my understanding.

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(March 16, 2019 at 6:14 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(March 16, 2019 at 6:03 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Agree to disagree.

Agreeing to disagree is apparently a severe problem with you,  which is why despite having abosuletely bupkis besides the same few measly syllable’s worth of nonsense by assertion, which by the way could conceivably persuade no one with even elementary school’s knowledge of state of modern science, you are still here.

I don't think so. More false BS.

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(March 16, 2019 at 6:26 pm)no one Wrote: The CDFster says it's not delusional.

I can buy that if:

(A) Momma CDF ate paint chips aplenty, while carrying #47.
(2) #47 is from an alien world, and this planet's atmosphere is like crack, to its particular species.

My mom passed away you disrespectful punk.

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(March 16, 2019 at 7:11 pm)fredd bear Wrote: @Amorak

The notion of the devil being a fallen angel (Lucifer) is part of Jewish tradition. As to how he could rebel; jews and Christians tend to agree on free will. I've always had a problem with that; God is omniscient, which means all knowing .He knows absolutely how his creations will behave, from first to last breath.To me, knowing the future abrogates free will. if I have this wrong , I hope one of our resident philosophers will explain my error . (no, really)

The Christian concept of the devil/ satan, has been lifted directly from Greek/ Roman religion*. The devil is no more than the harmless and good time god Pan.

*as with a bunch of other things ,including Jesus' birthday 25 December: Winter Solstice, pinched from the worship of The Sun God, Deus Sol Invictus, the invincible sun god (including halos)

Reading your post put me in mind of Epicurus and the existence of evil:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”

― Epicurus

@CDF47

Just for your information, although I suspect you won't bother:

Below is a link to an edited version of the 1948 Russell/Copleton radio debate on the existence of God. It is between philosopher Bertrand Russell(atheist) and Frederick Copleton, Jesuit philosopher. ( believer) I offer this because the arguments you present are long on claims but short on reason and rational thought. I urge you to listen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXPdpEJk78E

God transcends time here. In the heavenly realm he no longer transcends time. His creature, Satan, rebelled. He gave him and his followers no chance of redemption. Only humans have the atoning blood of Christ to cover their sins if they accept Him as Lord and savior.

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(March 16, 2019 at 8:31 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote:

(March 16, 2019 at 5:50 pm)CDF47 Wrote: He is not a tyrant or a bully.

Hypocrite! Have you read the Book of Job lately?

Yes, I read it. He really tested Job. Job stayed loyal.

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(March 16, 2019 at 9:21 pm)TwoKnives99 Wrote:

(March 16, 2019 at 5:38 pm)CDF47 Wrote: It doesn't disproven a literal Adam and Eve.

Regardless, it counters your assertion that mt-Eve and Y-Adam are the biblical Adam and Eve

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(March 16, 2019 at 5:54 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Your knee will bow and you will one day confess Christ as Lord.

This is just pure arrogance from your end.

You have attempted to convert these atheists. It's not working.

A good Christian spreads the word of God sure, but don't shove it down their throats man

Every man, woman, child we manage to convert is a good thing. IMO as a Christian myself.

But if they're obviously not gonna change their minds, do not get patronising and all high and mighty

Leave them and back off, boy

After all, no Christian knows God exists, they only believe God exists.

For we all know, the End Times could come and we could be bending our knees to our Lord and Saviour, SpongeBob

I just love discussing the topic. I used a verse from the Bible regarding their knees bowing. I am not being rude or arrogant but I am under constant attack here. Then I get called out on one comment. I'm not trying to threaten anyone. I pray for everyone here.

The false bullshit is all on your side.  And all you say are false bullshit.

Including the implicit bullshit that conviction of a moron (such as you) makes bullshit not bullshit.

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(March 16, 2019 at 11:08 pm)CDF47 Wrote: He exists and knows all. It is wise to fear the Lord. Yes, of course love and trust but also a healthy amount of fear.

Bullshit

(March 16, 2019 at 11:08 pm)CDF47 Wrote: He was a high ranking cherub who grew pride in his heart and turned against his Creator. He had the free will to do that just like we can choose God or not. There are no fence sitters from my understanding.

Bullshit

(March 16, 2019 at 11:08 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I don't think so. More false BS.

Bullshit.  Such mental processes as you are capable of doesn’t come close to qualifying as thinking.

(March 16, 2019 at 11:08 pm)CDF47 Wrote: My mom passed away you disrespectful punk.

Sorry about your mom,but you are still here sprouting the same measly nonsense, you disrespectful punk.

(March 16, 2019 at 11:08 pm)CDF47 Wrote: God transcends time here. In the heavenly realm he no longer transcends time. His creature, Satan, rebelled. He gave him and his followers no chance of redemption. Only humans have the atoning blood of Christ to cover their sins if they accept Him as Lord and savior.

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Bullshit

(March 16, 2019 at 11:08 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Yes, I read it. He really tested Job.  Job stayed loyal.

Quoting from bullshit trying to pass it off as non-bullshit, so bullshit.

(March 16, 2019 at 11:08 pm)CDF47 Wrote: God exists, they only believe God exists.



I just love discussing the topic. I used a verse from the Bible regarding their knees bowing. I am not being rude or arrogant but I  am under constant attack here. Then I get called out on one comment. I'm not trying to threaten anyone. I pray for everyone here.

We don’t love it, you disrespectful punk.  If you want to redeem yourself in a way that matter, stop that bullshit praying nonsense and get the fuck off your idiotic bible and do something that might be seen as helpful in the eyes of those you claim to wish to help.

Quote: He exists and knows all. It is wise to fear the Lord. Yes, of course love and trust but also a healthy amount of fear.

You have shown proof he exists . It's not wise it cowardly . Any being the demands or uses fear on weaker beings is pathetic, And this response doesn't refute the fact it's all gods fault .

Quote:He had the free will to do that just like we can choose God or not.

What a stupid thing to say ... lacking totally in ALL understanding. 
1. St. Paul said faith was a gift of God, not a choice. So you're wrong theologically and scripturally. 
2. Is your god SO fucking stupid and unaware that he wouldn't know if someone *said* they believed, but didn't really. That is what you're proposing.  
You have your head SO far up your ass you don't even know what intellectual honestly is.

There are and were no angels and no devils.
They were "messengers" of the Babylonian gods, invented in Babylonian mythology, (as described by Dr. Elaine Pagels, in her "The Origins of Satan".)
It is astounding that in 2019 some idiots are STILL talking like those old mythological concepts are actually real.

Quote:It is wise to fear the Lord. Yes, of course love and trust but also a healthy amount of fear.

Should people who get murdered in churches and mosques love and trust you fool "lord" ?