(March 18, 2019 at 9:55 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(March 18, 2019 at 9:52 am)Catharsis Wrote: How do you think everything came into existence?

'I don't know' is not only a perfectly valid answer, it's the only honest one (not that someone can't have an opinion on the available hypotheses). Agnostico made a whole thread about the argument from ignorance.

Logic and sound reason would suggest a creator though.

(March 18, 2019 at 9:57 am)Catharsis Wrote:

(March 18, 2019 at 9:55 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: 'I don't know' is not only a perfectly valid answer, it's the only honest one (not that someone can't have an opinion on the available hypotheses). Agnostico made a whole thread about the argument from ignorance.

Logic and sound reason would suggest a creator though.

No, it would not.

(March 18, 2019 at 10:00 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(March 18, 2019 at 9:57 am)Catharsis Wrote: Logic and sound reason would suggest a creator though.

No, it would not.

Excuse me?

You guys realize that Catharsis posted in shout box that no God exists, I think it's just a long winded troll.

(March 18, 2019 at 9:57 am)Catharsis Wrote:

(March 18, 2019 at 9:55 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: 'I don't know' is not only a perfectly valid answer, it's the only honest one (not that someone can't have an opinion on the available hypotheses). Agnostico made a whole thread about the argument from ignorance.

Logic and sound reason would suggest a creator though.

Without credible supporting evidence your creator is fantasy.

(March 18, 2019 at 10:15 am)wyzas Wrote:

(March 18, 2019 at 9:57 am)Catharsis Wrote: Logic and sound reason would suggest a creator though.

Without credible supporting evidence your creator is fantasy.

That's fine. I'm happy where I am in life with the creator.

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(March 18, 2019 at 10:14 am)tackattack Wrote: You guys realize that Catharsis posted in shout box that no God exists, I think it's just a long winded troll.

Yes, I had to make them aware of their ignorance.

(March 18, 2019 at 9:57 am)Catharsis Wrote:

(March 18, 2019 at 9:55 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: 'I don't know' is not only a perfectly valid answer, it's the only honest one (not that someone can't have an opinion on the available hypotheses). Agnostico made a whole thread about the argument from ignorance.

Logic and sound reason would suggest a creator though.

Show your work or that's just another unsupported assertion. If you've managed to do what no theologian before you has ever done, and produced an argument for the existence of a creator deity with sound premises and no fallacies that stands up to scrutiny. I'd really love to see it.

(March 18, 2019 at 10:33 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(March 18, 2019 at 9:57 am)Catharsis Wrote: Logic and sound reason would suggest a creator though.

Show your work or that's just another unsupported assertion. If you've managed to do what no theologian before you has ever done, and produced an argument for the existence of a creator deity with sound premises and no fallacies that stands up to scrutiny. I'd really love to see it.

Everything has a beginning and an end here.

A beginning would suggest a creator.

creator
/kriːˈeɪtə/
noun
noun: creator; plural noun: creators
a person or thing that brings something into existence.



If something has no beginning, how can it have an end?

(March 18, 2019 at 10:36 am)Catharsis Wrote:

(March 18, 2019 at 10:33 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Show your work or that's just another unsupported assertion. If you've managed to do what no theologian before you has ever done, and produced an argument for the existence of a creator deity with sound premises and no fallacies that stands up to scrutiny. I'd really love to see it.

Everything has a beginning and an end here.

A beginning would suggest a creator.

creator
/kriːˈeɪtə/
noun
noun: creator; plural noun: creators
a person or thing that brings something into existence.

If something has no beginning, how can it have an end?

Thanks for having a genuine go at it. Sadly, your first statement is a mere assertion, so is your second unless your definition of creator is so broad that a vacuum fluctuation would count. The last line is a question, and the only thing you could get out an 'I don't know' answer is an argument from ignorance.

Incidentally, the observations and math suggest that we live in a universe without end, it won't ever 'stop', just keep getting bigger and more boring.

(March 18, 2019 at 10:44 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(March 18, 2019 at 10:36 am)Catharsis Wrote: Everything has a beginning and an end here.

A beginning would suggest a creator.

creator
/kriːˈeɪtə/
noun
noun: creator; plural noun: creators
a person or thing that brings something into existence.

If something has no beginning, how can it have an end?

Thanks for having a genuine go at it. Sadly, your first statement is a mere assertion, so is your second unless your definition of creator is so broad that a vacuum fluctuation would count. The last line is a question, and the only thing you could get out an 'I don't know' answer is an argument from ignorance.

Incidentally, the observations and math suggest that we live in a universe without end, it won't ever 'stop', just keep getting bigger and more boring.

Does that mean it has no beginning either?