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Active shooter in NZ
RE: Active shooter in NZ
(March 17, 2019 at 6:07 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.

What a wonderful, perfect, black and white world you wish to live in AtlassS33.

Just a point BUT why do you make the statement of "Stacking prisoners up forever" ?

My country used to havd a system called 'Convict labour'.

Prisoners of the system didn't just sit in jail.

They were used as a labour force.

Still.... being productive with people is better, I think, than being barbaric with people.

Enlisting inmates in a labor system is not enough of a prevention for the crime, also the victim would remain not avenged; which would trigger relatives and people close to the victim to carry out assaults to avenge him/her.

The killer of this incident is an example: he attacked Muslims to "avenge the fallen Europeans" who died 1000 years ago in the Muslim occupation of Spain and the Ottoman expansions in Europe.

You can imagine of course that Islamic terrorist organizations are basing their ideology on similar -if not the same- base: the European crimes that took place against Muslims in the Crusades.

If we rule by this concept; it will be a blood bath.
The solution would not be "leaving rights and blood of the victims hanging; both Muslims and non-Muslims. Or else, innocents will pay in an infinite loop of avenging attacks from both sides".
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(March 18, 2019 at 12:29 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Videos down, but I'm not entirely sure what we'd be discussing?  There are alot of things in there that are the product of a community, you could call them inside jokes I suppose.

You can click on it and then watch it in YouTube, at least on the devices I’m using.

The guy specifically says he wrote it all himself and works for no organisation, and that he’s uneducated, but then it’s a 72 page document that looks like a professional propaganda manifesto written by a committee of people ticking all the right boxes.

The convenient link with Tommy Robinson who they are trying to take down right now for exposing the corrupt mainstream media is laughable. (Question the mainstream media, folks. Question everything. Look at the evidence, don’t take anyone’s word for anything if you can avoid it.)

PS: you’re right about the inside jokes. The whole document pokes fun deliberately at anyone who would believe it is what it says it is.
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He's not uneducated, he just didn't go to university. It may have taken him a month of full time labour to write that manifesto if he was, in fact, educationally subnormal. Guess what, education can happen outside of formal establishments - there are these things called "reading" and "the internet" that you might have heard of.

ETA: You're seriously lionising Tommy fucking Robinson?!  Hilarious
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RE: Active shooter in NZ
(March 17, 2019 at 7:25 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
Quote:1-It ceases and stops reasons for revenge (the victim's family/people will have no justifiable reason to keep on killing to "avenge the fallen".

But capital punishment itself is an act of revenge.  It must be, as it serves no other purpose.
 
And what's wrong with an act of revenge based on the true, and just bases and cause?
If somebody killed my mom; he/she deserves to die just like she died; they deserve to suffer the same way she suffered. That's innate capacity for humanity; even countries do it in a more extreme way in wars -like the terrorist bombing of Dresden in WW2 and the invention of nuclear weapons-.
It's not just natural; it's a cure for the soul of the victim from negative thoughts that would turn -sooner or later- into a vengeance spree.
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Quote:2-It is very just to treat an eye for an eye.

Then why don't we punish thieves by stealing from them, or arsonists by setting their homes on fire?

You should "return the money stolen" to the victim, so that is the taking -stealing- back what they stole.
The hand cutting is the prevention penalty. If losing a hand is the price of stealing, a thieve will think twice.

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Quote: Wrote:3-Society -with its rich and poor- will think twice -if not thrice- before the commit of murder

Really?  They haven't done that so far.  If you have evidence that capital punishment is a deterrent, do please trot it out.

Many reasons can make the killer don't fear death, including psychological state, pure ignorance, pure evil, pure sense of sacrifice, humans are known to fight in war for example knowing that they will probably get killed. The countries or places with a low homicide rates are usually wealthy, stable and prosperous. It is not lack of "deterrence" that is the sole father of killers, neither are these societies have low murder rates because capital punishment does not exist in their systems.

The father of killers is poverty, ignorance, and will to avenge somebody. The more you cause that, the more you give birth to killers without fear of death, some of them are even born thousands of years after the crime. 

But you need to take vengeance for the blood of the victims to turn the fire from spreading. Kill the killer and that fire is put down. Keep him alive, and you'll keep that fire lit for thousands of years even.
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(March 18, 2019 at 2:08 pm)robvalue Wrote: You can click on it and then watch it in YouTube, at least on the devices I’m using.

The guy specifically says he wrote it all himself and works for no organisation, and that he’s uneducated, but then it’s a 72 page document that looks like a professional propaganda manifesto written by a committee of people ticking all the right boxes.

The convenient link with Tommy Robinson who they are trying to take down right now for exposing the corrupt mainstream media is laughable. (Question the mainstream media, folks. Question everything. Look at the evidence, don’t take anyone’s word for anything if you can avoid it.)

PS: you’re right about the inside jokes. The whole document pokes fun deliberately at anyone who would believe it is what it says it is.
It looks exactly like the shit I read on discord and 8chan.  It's all completely standard. Those themes are a product of a specific community that regularly communicates with each other.

In a way, they were designed by a committee. I don't know how that would lend credence to the idea of a conspiracy or a false flag...no more so than that our posts also reflect our community here would.
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RE: Active shooter in NZ
At work.

(March 18, 2019 at 1:16 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(March 17, 2019 at 6:07 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: What a wonderful, perfect, black and white world you wish to live in AtlassS33.

Just a point BUT why do you make the statement of "Stacking prisoners up forever" ?

My country used to havd a system called 'Convict labour'.

Prisoners of the system didn't just sit in jail.

They were used as a labour force.

Still.... being productive with people is better, I think, than being barbaric with people.

Enlisting inmates in a labor system is not enough of a prevention for the crime, also the victim would remain not avenged; which would trigger relatives and people close to the victim to carry out assaults to avenge him/her.

The killer of this incident is an example: he attacked Muslims to "avenge the fallen Europeans" who died 1000 years ago in the Muslim occupation of Spain and the Ottoman expansions in Europe.

You can imagine of course that Islamic terrorist organizations are basing their ideology on similar -if not the same- base: the European crimes that took place against Muslims in the Crusades.

If we rule by this concept; it will be a blood bath.
The solution would not be "leaving rights and blood of the victims hanging; both Muslims and non-Muslims. Or else, innocents will pay in an infinite loop of avenging attacks from both sides".

*Sigh*

Well... if you're going to keep espousing this whole 'Death, revenge, desruction.' thing then what Israel is doing must be quite okay, then?

"You lob some crude, hardware-store made bundle of boom at us. We use top line technology and 500 lb + ordinance to reduce you to rubble."

I'm out discussing with you AtlassS33.
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Quote:And what's wrong with an act of revenge based on the true, and just bases and cause?
If somebody killed my mom; he/she deserves to die just like she died; they deserve to suffer the same way she suffered. That's innate capacity for humanity; even countries do it in a more extreme way in wars -like the terrorist bombing of Dresden in WW2 and the invention of nuclear weapons-.
It's not just natural; it's a cure for the soul of the victim from negative thoughts that would turn -sooner or later- into a vengeance spree.

You don't see the humongous illogic of using state-sanctioned revenge killings as a way of controlling revenge killings done by individuals, do you?

Quote:You should "return the money stolen" to the victim, so that is the taking -stealing- back what they stole.

The hand cutting is the prevention penalty. If losing a hand is the price of stealing, a thieve will think twice.

Sorry, but fines for crimes committed cannot be equated to the original theft.  And if fear of hand-lopping prevented theft, there should be no theft in countries where this is a legal penalty.  There is, so it doesn't.

Quote:Many reasons can make the killer don't fear death, including psychological state, pure ignorance, pure evil, pure sense of sacrifice, humans are known to fight in war for example knowing that they will probably get killed. The countries or places with a low homicide rates are usually wealthy, stable and prosperous. It is not lack of "deterrence" that is the sole father of killers, neither are these societies have low murder rates because capital punishment does not exist in their systems.

The father of killers is poverty, ignorance, and will to avenge somebody. The more you cause that, the more you give birth to killers without fear of death, some of them are even born thousands of years after the crime. 

But you need to take vengeance for the blood of the victims to turn the fire from spreading. Kill the killer and that fire is put down. Keep him alive, and you'll keep that fire lit for thousands of years even.

You need to stop.  Your dazzling ignorance is burning through my retina like some kind of acid made from distilled stupidity.

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RE: Active shooter in NZ
(March 18, 2019 at 12:36 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: As soon as I see the term "false flag" applied to anything like the slaughter in Christchurch I immediately question the integrity, the credibility, and the intelligence of those making the claim.

NRA parrots don't have that much to work with.
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RE: Active shooter in NZ
The NRA thanks you for mentioning the NRA.
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RE: Active shooter in NZ
(March 17, 2019 at 6:56 pm)EgoDeath Wrote:
(March 17, 2019 at 1:32 pm)Amarok Wrote: The reason they deserve death
This racist piece of shit took the lives of 49 people and you're asking why he deserves to die?

Oh wow. Another testament to the fact that some conversations are not worth having here.
That's a criticism not an answer

(March 17, 2019 at 8:04 pm)EgoDeath Wrote:
(March 17, 2019 at 7:17 pm)fredd bear Wrote:  
@EgoDeath;

Your response is an ad hominem attack, not an argument. Only relevant if you want to retain your currently high level of credibility (at least with me) 

I don't think it is. I'm not attacking anyone's credibility. I'm willing enough to accept that different people value different things on sometimes very fundamental levels. That being said, if you can't see why someone who killed 49 people deserves to die, the argument isn't worth addressing. Me explaining to you why I believe someone who killed 49 people should die will likely never convince you to think otherwise, nor will it lead to any interesting revelations for either of us... it will only make us go back and forth for a few pages before one of us bows out of the conversation. And I'm sorry, it's just not energy I feel like wasting today.

Everyone on this forum likes to act like they're here to have nuanced, intellectual discussions, but they're mostly not. I've mostly found that people just want to prove to you how right they are and how wrong you are. There are some exceptions though, and those are usually the people I enjoy discussing things with, whether we happen to agree on an issue or not.

The difference is, I don't care. Saying "it's just revenge" doesn't make any difference to me. Some people deserve to die. If it was up to me, anyone who committed crimes against children would be killed too.
Good thing I wasn't going to argue from vengeance .
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