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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
March 25, 2019 at 11:20 pm
(March 25, 2019 at 11:07 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Pray all you like, you won't be entering the kingdom of heaven. Dosn't work like that, unless you think that "jesus" is a bold faced lying son of a bitch.
I jest, I jest, ofc you do, especially if he made you out of a monkey.... which he did, lol.
Nah, just similar design is all. Man is far more advanced than monkey. It's a giant leap. Where are all the intermediaries with all the failed attempts at upgrades?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
March 25, 2019 at 11:21 pm
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Whats the point of arguing with the word of the lord or bitching about the means of his construction? I'm just relating the good news to you. However shit happened, that's how god did it.
This isn't a debate. If you want to remain an unrepentant sinner.. that's what you're going to do.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
March 25, 2019 at 11:22 pm
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This is what kills me about the argument from design. If an all-powerful god exists, why did he have to design us at all? Why did he make us so needlessly complex? He certainly isn’t all-powerful if his creation is bound by the laws of nature that dictate microbiology. What is it about our existence that necessitates a complex design, and why couldn’t god overcome this cumbersome feature?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
March 25, 2019 at 11:26 pm
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Who knows, but if there is a god he designed us to be derived from monkeys through evolutionary means. How else would or could that have happened?
I just wish that lost sheep like CDF could be convinced by the many miracles of christ jesus.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
March 25, 2019 at 11:42 pm
(March 25, 2019 at 11:22 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: This is what kills me about the argument from design. If an all-powerful god exists, why did he have to design us at all? Why did he make us so needlessly complex? He certainly isn’t all-powerful if his creation is bound by the laws of nature that dictate microbiology. What is it about our existence that necessitates a complex design, and why couldn’t god overcome this cumbersome feature?
An all powerful designer would not have screwed up the design so badly.
And its followers would not have to make up excuses for it.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
March 25, 2019 at 11:44 pm
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The only screwup in the design, so far as CDF can see, is that he came from a monkey. This rebelliousness is why the lord won't hear him when he crys out.
He's making excuses for himself, not god. God doesn't need to be excused for doing what He wills.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
March 25, 2019 at 11:48 pm
(March 25, 2019 at 11:22 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: This is what kills me about the argument from design. If an all-powerful god exists, why did he have to design us? Why did he make us so needlessly complex? He certainly isn’t all-powerful if his creation is bound by the laws of nature that dictate microbiology.
Indeed.
I found it especially galling when I learned that nature is actually a pretty bad engineer. In nature 'good enough is 'good enough'.
Complexity may imply design, but it may also imply the opposite. My perception is that simplicity of both form and function are the hallmarks of good design.
I've long believed that that the designs of a supreme being would be elegant, simple and--perfect.
The supreme usually discussed here is perfect by definition. How then could such a being design anything which were imperfect, including us?
Not convinced he would design anything as inelegant as a bug which defecates through its mouth.Yet nature abounds with examples of weirdly/poorly designed creatures.
The argument from design/complexity/watchmaker dickheads have a pretty low opinion of the design abilities of their god, imo..
I guess this another unfalsifiable claim. Makes just as much sense to me as the intelligent design argument.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
March 25, 2019 at 11:53 pm
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Well, maybe god enjoys things that spew shit from their mouths. If not, then why create creationists?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
March 26, 2019 at 12:09 am
(March 25, 2019 at 11:20 pm)CDF47 Wrote: (March 25, 2019 at 11:07 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Pray all you like, you won't be entering the kingdom of heaven. Dosn't work like that, unless you think that "jesus" is a bold faced lying son of a bitch.
I jest, I jest, ofc you do, especially if he made you out of a monkey.... which he did, lol.
Nah, just similar design is all. Man is far more advanced than monkey. It's a giant leap. Where are all the intermediaries with all the failed attempts at upgrades?
You claimed you understood genetics. I see you really don't. You know how much humans and apes share in their genomes ?
How about you tell us how much humans and apes share in their genetics ?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
March 26, 2019 at 12:29 am
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(March 25, 2019 at 11:21 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Whats the point of arguing with the word of the lord or bitching about the means of his construction? I'm just relating the good news to you. However shit happened, that's how god did it.
This isn't a debate. If you want to remain an unrepentant sinner.. that's what you're going to do.
I repent my sins to the best of my ability. I fail all the time as I am a sinful human. No one could ever live up to what the Lord accomplished in thought, word, and action.
(March 25, 2019 at 11:22 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: This is what kills me about the argument from design. If an all-powerful god exists, why did he have to design us at all? Why did he make us so needlessly complex? He certainly isn’t all-powerful if his creation is bound by the laws of nature that dictate microbiology. What is it about our existence that necessitates a complex design, and why couldn’t god overcome this cumbersome feature?
We are built in God's image. We have designers as God is a Designer. The universe and living systems require design like anything else. He decided on the complexity level Himself.
(March 25, 2019 at 11:26 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Who knows, but if there is a god he designed us to be derived from monkeys through evolutionary means. How else would or could that have happened?
I just wish that lost sheep like CDF could be convinced by the many miracles of christ jesus.
It is highly disputed that we descended from monkeys. The fossil record shows an explosion of life, not a slow gradual process of increasing complexity leading ultimately to humans. I agree there is micro-evolution and adaptation.
(March 25, 2019 at 11:42 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: (March 25, 2019 at 11:22 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: This is what kills me about the argument from design. If an all-powerful god exists, why did he have to design us at all? Why did he make us so needlessly complex? He certainly isn’t all-powerful if his creation is bound by the laws of nature that dictate microbiology. What is it about our existence that necessitates a complex design, and why couldn’t god overcome this cumbersome feature?
An all powerful designer would not have screwed up the design so badly.
And its followers would not have to make up excuses for it.
Again, after the fall of man, the intent of the design is not perfection and instant eternal life. Scripture explains this.
(March 25, 2019 at 11:44 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: The only screwup in the design, so far as CDF can see, is that he came from a monkey. This rebelliousness is why the lord won't hear him when he crys out.
He's making excuses for himself, not god. God doesn't need to be excused for doing what He wills.
There is conflicting evidence that we have come from monkeys. Read or watch videos about Darwin's Doubt by Dr. Meyer.
(March 25, 2019 at 11:48 pm)fredd bear Wrote: (March 25, 2019 at 11:22 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: This is what kills me about the argument from design. If an all-powerful god exists, why did he have to design us? Why did he make us so needlessly complex? He certainly isn’t all-powerful if his creation is bound by the laws of nature that dictate microbiology.
Indeed.
I found it especially galling when I learned that nature is actually a pretty bad engineer. In nature 'good enough is 'good enough'.
Complexity may imply design, but it may also imply the opposite. My perception is that simplicity of both form and function are the hallmarks of good design.
I've long believed that that the designs of a supreme being would be elegant, simple and--perfect.
The supreme usually discussed here is perfect by definition. How then could such a being design anything which were imperfect, including us?
Not convinced he would design anything as inelegant as a bug which defecates through its mouth.Yet nature abounds with examples of weirdly/poorly designed creatures.
The argument from design/complexity/watchmaker dickheads have a pretty low opinion of the design abilities of their god, imo..
I guess this another unfalsifiable claim. Makes just as much sense to me as the intelligent design argument.
Again, the intent of the design is not perfection. We are designed to be born, decay, and die in this life time. After that is the judgment related to eternal life.
(March 25, 2019 at 11:53 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Well, maybe god enjoys things that spew shit from their mouths. If not, then why create creationists?
We proclaim the gospel as directed by the Lord. Too bad you have such a poor opinion of us. We know the truth which you refuse to listen to.
(March 26, 2019 at 12:09 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: (March 25, 2019 at 11:20 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Nah, just similar design is all. Man is far more advanced than monkey. It's a giant leap. Where are all the intermediaries with all the failed attempts at upgrades?
You claimed you understood genetics. I see you really don't. You know how much humans and apes share in their genomes ?
How about you tell us how much humans and apes share in their genetics ?
Roughly 96 percent. Common design platform typical in design and engineering.
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