(March 27, 2019 at 10:12 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: You're only telling us that your allegiance is for sale. God gave you trinkets for worship, in return you spend your time being an ass on AF.
what I've been on AF is 100% me.
Under God I do not have to pretend to be al the things you all pretend to be to wear the title 'moral' so you can avoid God. Which makes no sense to me. under God you get to be who you are, without God you have to feign to be someone you are not.
I know you are not who you feign to be because who I am is in direct conflict of who you pretend to be and you have no problems casting of pretenses and going toe to toe with me. The only difference? I'm being blessed by god for being the type of person you would be if your peers didn't have a say in your morality.
Look out sport you just fell into the deep end!
Quote:One wonders what you would do if the bribe spigot went dry.
I don't have to wonder because God asked for everythig back 3 or 4 major times in my life.
First time my drunken father demanded that I basically give him 500 more than what I had. he saw my bank book which was not current and demanded the money for some family emergency, when I only gave him 200 dollars he kicked me out right after highschool (he said it was for lying or spending all my graduation money on stupid shit) So I called my uncle moved in with him. the second day my dad found out and packed up everything I owned and dumped it on my uncles front lawn in the rain. I told you I learned to read by reading comics... so that was the time all my money was tied up in comics which where all but ruined in the rain that night. along with everything else as we just duped everything except my cloths. Had nothing and because my dad was coming by nighly and drunk I left my uncles house and stayed on the floor at a friends till I got up the money he wanted and he invited me back in.
secodn time consides with my angel story. I was headed to my uncles again after my mom left for korea and we where left alone with him and missed fathers dad or his birthday or something in favor for church and that time my sister and I where both kicked out, with no lawn to dump my stuff this time her just trashed everything I owned. I was on my way to my uncle to discuss what to do because I was wearing out my welcome with my friend, and I stopped at the texaco for drinks and the angel told me what to do. along with several other things past present and future. This time I had my ranchero
was fired from my job because owner nephew wanted my route (I ran refrigeration service along the east coast of fl.) lots of beach or near beach time and got to work the peers and ships alot with oppertunity to sail to europe and south america for crazy money from time to time. I had been in that position for 5 years. this kid had two weeks experience. so I went to work for a bus company for 1/2 themoney
almost lost everything
work there at the bus company they would only pay 40 hours and then any over time was counted as points. and at the end of the year you could buy things with your points from airline tickets trips to eurpoe cruises down to steak knives andbeer can coolers with company logos on them. I had earned 200 hours of over time in 6 months and the company boxed up and left the state. this broke me. had to move back in with my parents for a few weeks, then I sold my ranchero and 68 mustang got up a few thousand dollars and opened with a partner my first refrigeration shop. we where open in a truck stop which was very good for business for like a month and then the winter came and for 6 month we had little to nothing. then came in one day and everything was gone. found out later the partner cleaned everything out after we left and sold everything to another company for penny on what we paid. left me in 10K debt. lost the little nissan truck i had bought for 500.00 as well. Gave it to god, and was offered a job by another refrigeration dealer with a signing bonus. was there fore 1 year best job I ever had, was very happy. then one morning went to roll up the doors and they said don't bother we are done. They did set us up with jobs back at my orginal dealer.. where by that time the new guy crashed and burned bad enough for them to give me my old job back.
Years later my other sister moved with her new baby while her husband went to Pa for a high paying job that was only supposed to last 3 months and after that he would have enough money for a down payment on their house.
She took advantge of the situation and I lost everything to the point I had a final notice on my door saying it would be locked by the sherriff. had a chance to go after her and him fr the money, but let it go and gave it to god.
got a cash job before I got home that covered my expenses down to the penny.
Next was with my wife and a 250 dollar aday (13 years ago) herion habbit. I thought she was clean but noticed we never had money for anything, then things started to disappear, vacuum micro wave xbox ect then her wedding ring and I lost my shite and she came clean, she had spent all of our bill money and pawned everything of value and durning that time my grandfather coin collection went missing as well, she still says she hasn't touched it, but everything went away. We had a huge fight and gave it to God then after we went to sleep at 3 in the morning we hear bang bang bang at the door. it was the sherrif dept serving a warrant for her. 9months earlier she OD-ed in the bathroom of a barns and noble book store, stop breathing turned blue and they revived her and took her to the hospital went though a program and thought she was clean till that night. She went to jail and was released on probation with daily checks and methadon support. this time it worked. no more heroin since then, and while she was in jail gave me time to put the house and our then new business back in order.
then again more recently under good olde obama when he first doubbled our tax burden the IRS was taking everything we cleared quartly. meaning nothing for working capitol. We went into work that day not to even roll up the doors but to tell everyone it was over. but before we did we prayed
when we go there out front we had like 3 semi trailer for sale. saw a guy checking them out he asked what i wanted for them i told him and he bought all three which ws a home run and put us back in business. saw how much sale could help us and turn the busines to focus on sales rather than service.
Got pics of this next one.. We bought a $25,000 machine that sprays in foam to line and insulate van and trucks and a 5000.00 high capacity compressor air dryer and a huge 15kw generator and put it all in a service truck 50k just in equipment 20k for the truck. we had the best state farm insreance we could get. Got rear ended and knocked into the tall grass during the middle of the summer. the grass caught fire under the exhast. truck too damaged to move. used two fire extinguishers but by that time it has caught the plastic gas tank on fire when promply created a fireball mushroom cloud which consumed the whole box truck. the insurance offered 7000 for everything. that did not even pay off what we owed on just the foam sprayer!
prayed on that one, took it to the people past the complaint department and told them if we do not get compensated properly we will loose everything. then 3 weeks later (going through the cancer testing at that time as well/25k ct scan with obama care f-ing up what was once good coverage) I got a check large enough to pay off the equipment and buy a older truck AND outfit it with service material. While we were waiting I came to me God is trying to get my attention between my failing health and the seeming closing of the door on the business. so i was ready and open for anything. I was thinking the church might offer me a full time position again. I think I even did a post on this back then asking If i could use some of the discussion we all have had together as a sort of resume. I was ready for a change. I felt like I had nothing more to prove I sold my patent I grew the business as far as I could under tremendous and unfair conditions, and it was time to move on. But asGod would have it I was to stay. from then on it was like a turning point got the right people in place things started to happen automatically which freed me up to do more writing and research and reach out to the church anyway.
Quote: Would you bury your effigy headfirst in the dirt like some saint, until such time as the rain falls or your house sells? What if baal waddled up and doubled yahwehs offer?
I'm starting to wonder if there's anything about you or your god that doesn't boil down to avarice, lol.
Brother When faced with adversity I simply double down and always come out 10x better than anything lost.
And even when the gain is not monetary God over fills my cup in wisdom and understanding.
Honestly, I can answer most of your'll bible questions because I lived the answers. None of this even touches all the evil crap rained down on me as a child. that is a book in of itself. and I follow God because He has shown me the truth behind it all. I sought it he showed it to me, and to be honest at the time I would have been content a simple mechanic. would still be one if I had a fair and stable work place.
So when i share of all that I have I do not forget the cost or what it took to get here no. I just do not see the cost as burdensome, I do not see the need to share in what i suffered because it was nothing more than apart of the growing process. No different than when a baby chick pops from the egg and grows into a full chicken. when discussing chickens you discuss their count their weight their egg production not how hard it was for the to hatch from the egg or how ganggely they look when they were growing their adult feathers.. You discuss the finished product. My product is what God has done with someone who society threw away. My success in the business world is a testament to do all of the things, you all tell your self I am unable to do, because I believe in God.
It is truly difficult to call someone a moron who has built a company from nothing and alone to the point he now hires his 'betters'/peers those in school smart enough to goto collage earn a degree so they could get a good paying job. A Job like the ones i offer in administration and in corporate sales.
I share my success because I want you to know I have personally put in time in research in all aspects of what we discuss here,and itis with the same attention to detail that i built my business, created 2 new industry standards and patented them.. Understand that i put into scrutinizing, and study in the bible to provide you with answers as close to the knowable truth as I can provide. Not only that, I can provide answers as a real genuine person. not as a better/priest prophet or as someone who act a certain way here and another in church, (my poor wife cringes at all the cussing I do in church. which is probably why I never got the job when the church expanded) the eldership don't knw what to do with me either. so they keep me busy by keeping my wife busy with things like work in the church pantry giving out food to the needy. or driving the bus picking people up. when ever we have discussions they no longer argue my point only ask questions. why I am finished I ask what do you think. and I will get I never understood it that way, but it makes more sense or the old way of teaching that created continuity issues this makes everything work together. the problem? they think this would split the church..
Then I came to the conclusion that you can't 'save the saved.' so why split the church when there are those at least pretending to seek the truth whom have fallen through the very same cracks in religion that I have! why not bring church here?
By defination, know it or not like it or not, you with me (and all the others like me) have spent more time in church (where two come together to discuss God/Jesus there I will be also) than a lifer who simply shows up at a church building every sunday his whole life! (not that that will save you btw.)
I now know I had to live the fear, i had to live all the pain I had to live the insecureity, and through all of that I had to summon the mustard seed and plant it with God before I could expect anyone else to do it, and then I had to live the blessings before I could talk about them as a real person would. (because the worst thing God can do is give you what you want before you are ready) I had to learn to live with the money and still be true to who I was. I can't stand a preacher talking about God's blessing when his greatest acheivement if landing a job where he works 4 hours one day aweek! and knows nothing of the temptation that besets a man with extra scratch in his pocket burning like a wild fire. That's not real! Show me a Trump who preaches Jesus but did it honest! that is who I want to hear from (Not trump yet but we are doing it honest) show me a man who has been bombarded with the things this world temps with and still says no, all I need is God. Or the same man in reverse who has been stripped down to nothing, and says the same.. All I need is God. I been in both places and i tell you sometimes life is much harder with money thn without, without happiness and joy are often far better means of compensation than a full bank account.
In the end I am a servant of whatever he puts me in charge of. whether a lot or alittle bless be the name of God for giving me what I can manage.
(March 27, 2019 at 10:57 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (March 27, 2019 at 9:49 am)Drich Wrote: If you are using my defination as you claim then where did "disinterested and selfless' come from?
From here. I bolded the relevant portion for you.
Quote:Drich Wrote: [url=https://atheistforums.org/post-1893780.html#pid1893780][/url]If god is not altruistic then what was the Jesus on the cross thing about?
After reading the rest of your post let's define altruism as emotion is not a key factor to altruism's execution.
al·tru·ism
/ˈaltro͞oˌizəm/
noun
- the belief in or practice of disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others.
"some may choose to work with vulnerable elderly people out of altruism"
synonyms:
unselfishness, selflessness, self-sacrifice, self-denial;
Given this definition without falling back to emotion why can't god be altruistic?
In future, you might consider reading the definitions you post, particularly since you have a habit of making them a central point of your arguments.
Boru
Hey-sus... help me.
WHERE DO YOU SEE DISINTEREST AND SELFISHNESS
IN GOD Where are you estimating God is showing disinterest and selfishness given what you quoted in scripture.
