(April 12, 2019 at 9:12 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(April 11, 2019 at 1:49 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: I keep explaining to you that I don't have any issue with interpretation...the issue is your own.  I also have to keep telling you that I don't care about what you believe, either.  Why do I have to keep reminding you of these things?  Shouldn't an evangelist be more attentive to their marks..if for no other reason than to competently respond?

You have a problem with the world as it exists, as god must have created it, if god created it.  That's a you problem.

You have a problem with the words attributed to your godman.  That's a you problem.

You have a problem with sticking to the truth.  That's a you problem.

You have a problem with your evangelism strategy.  That's a you problem.

You have a problem with biology, that;s a you problem.

You aren't in a position to help anyone else with any problem they may have.  Physician, heal thyself.

That's your opinion.  I don't think I have as big of a problem as you are making them out to be.

I don't think that disagreeing with your silly god is a big deal, either..and it's not those disagreements, that you have, that I find inexplicable.

Why are you still here?  You're bad at everything you want to do. You make your cult less credible than it was before you showed up.

(April 12, 2019 at 9:12 pm)CDF47 Wrote: [quote='downbeatplumb' pid='1899830' dateline='1555062641']

I think the main problem you have is that DNA is explainable without a designer and in fact adding a designer to the idea just means that you have to explain the designer. So lets start with that.

Tell me HOW the designer did the designing and implemented its design in your view. This would go in some way to letting us know what the actual fuck it is. So what was its process in your view?
Where did it get the stuff do you think?

(April 12, 2019 at 9:12 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I not science has all the answers for all that yet.

So you can tell me all I asked for then!

I am all ears.

So to reiterate you can tell me HOW god did the designing.

Where it got all the stuff from.

And of course you can prove all this scientifically.

Go on then show me.

(April 12, 2019 at 9:12 pm)CDF47 Wrote: <snip BS responses>

You asked for an example of your lies and I provided one. Why are you dodging? Not being dishonest again, are you?

Of course you are. You know no other way, do you?

Quote:The Lord did not have to die a terrible death for the sins of His people but He did.  You cannot down play that.

The fact he didn't have to die means nothing because he didn't stay dead and yes we can downplay it as it means nothing . It wasn't a real sacrifice it was a mere inconvenience to an invincible all powerful super being

(April 12, 2019 at 9:38 pm)possibletarian Wrote:

(April 12, 2019 at 9:12 pm)CDF47 Wrote: The Lord did not have to die a terrible death for the sins of His people but He did.  You cannot down play that.

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In what meaningful way way did the 'Lord' die ?
If he didn't have to die, then why all the stupid sacrifices ?
In what way is the universe fine tuned (as you claim) yet will only hold life (as we know it) for a fraction of it's existence. The universe has spent the vast majority of it's existence without life, and the same 'fine tuned' universe will kill us one day.. and go on to exist for a great deal longer.  life will simply be a tiny blip.

He sacrificed His own life for the sins of others.  He lived a completely righteous life but took on the sins of those that would believe in Him.  The temple sacrifices were just a foreshadow of things to come in the Messiah Jesus.

The universe has approximately 30 or so constants that are fine-tuned to an unimaginable extent.  I posted a lot about this in this thread so you may want to reference those previous discussions for the constants that are fine-tuned,...  There is more information throughout this thread on it.

-and if the universe were otherwise you wouldn't be here to marvel at how "finely tuned" it must have been, so that the hole is perfectly shaped for the puddle of water.

Do you know what would be a compelling bit of evidence for some tinker god, rather than the argument against one you so blithely stumbled into above? If the universe wasn't amenable to life, and yet here we found ourselves, standing on the surface of a neutron star exactly as we are today, somehow inexplicably breathing and persisting despite the impossibility of the circumstance and inadequacy of our biology.

(April 14, 2019 at 10:21 am)CDF47 Wrote: He sacrificed His own life for the sins of others.  He lived a completely righteous life but took on the sins of those that would believe in Him.  The temple sacrifices were just a foreshadow of things to come in the Messiah Jesus.

That's just the point, unless god died (ceased to live) he didn't sacrifice anything but a discard-able shell of flesh and didn't die in any meaningful way.

Quote:The universe has approximately 30 or so constants that are fine-tuned to an unimaginable extent.  I posted a lot about this in this thread so you may want to reference those previous discussions for the constants that are fine-tuned,...  There is more information throughout this thread on it.

Yes you keep repeating the same thing. No one is arguing that the universe is as it is, and that the universe as it is allowed life as we know it to form. The problem we have is that we have no way of knowing if life of some form (maybe even more intelligent) couldn't exist with different parameters. The truth is neither you nor I could know that, what other universes are you comparing it with ? How do you know it's constant even through the Cosmos ?

Life as we know it has only been in this universe for a fraction of its existence, 99.9 of the universe is hostile to life, and the same universe will cease to support life, in fact it will destroy it, and will continue without us, hardly fine tuned. We will simply be a blip in the passing of time.

What we are concerned with is you arbitrarily adding a deity.

Quote:He sacrificed His own life for the sins of others.  He lived a completely righteous life but took on the sins of those that would believe in Him.  The temple sacrifices were just a foreshadow of things to come in the Messiah Jesus.

All irrelevant as he didn't stay dead forever 

Quote:The universe has approximately 30 or so constants that are fine-tuned to an unimaginable extent.  I posted a lot about this in this thread so you may want to reference those previous discussions for the constants that are fine-tuned,...  There is more information throughout this thread on it.

Fine tuning makes no sense in theistic universe but it makes perfect sense in a atheistic one .

(April 14, 2019 at 10:21 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(April 12, 2019 at 9:38 pm)possibletarian Wrote: In what meaningful way way did the 'Lord' die ?
If he didn't have to die, then why all the stupid sacrifices ?
In what way is the universe fine tuned (as you claim) yet will only hold life (as we know it) for a fraction of it's existence. The universe has spent the vast majority of it's existence without life, and the same 'fine tuned' universe will kill us one day.. and go on to exist for a great deal longer.  life will simply be a tiny blip.

He sacrificed His own life for the sins of others.

So the "living jesus" is a lie because he is dead. Or is the sacrifice a lie because he is alive. Pick one.

(April 14, 2019 at 10:21 am)CDF47 Wrote: He lived a completely righteous life

No he didn't.

(April 14, 2019 at 10:21 am)CDF47 Wrote: but took on the sins of those that would believe in Him.

Great. I don't believe in him so my sins are mine alone. I bear sole responsibility for them. You, on the other hand, believe you can escape your responsibility for your acts and deeds simply by saying "I love you jebus". That is fundamentally immoral.

(April 14, 2019 at 10:21 am)CDF47 Wrote: The temple sacrifices were just a foreshadow of things to come in the Messiah Jesus.

Really? then why has fuck all happened since? Why did jebus not rock up again in the lifetime of the apostles as he promised? Why is jebus all promise and no delivery?

(April 14, 2019 at 10:21 am)CDF47 Wrote: The universe has approximately 30 or so constants that are fine-tuned to an unimaginable extent.

Lie. I can imagine it.  

(April 14, 2019 at 10:21 am)CDF47 Wrote: I posted a lot about this in this thread so you may want to reference those previous discussions for the constants that are fine-tuned,...  There is more information throughout this thread on it.

No you spammed this thread with garbage and provided not an iota of actual evidence, and if you think the universe is fine tuned, why exactly is the vast majority of it tuned to kill us outright?

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(April 12, 2019 at 10:03 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(April 12, 2019 at 9:12 pm)CDF47 Wrote: That's your opinion.  I don't think I have as big of a problem as you are making them out to be.

Why are you still here?  You're bad at everything you want to do.  You make your cult less credible than it was before you showed up.