(April 22, 2019 at 11:07 am)CDF47 Wrote: He makes a really solid case for design.

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He shows things must have been designed.

When I make a mistake I appologise, it is just common decency, the morally correct thing to do 

You either didn't realise that you made a mistake at first, but now you do  .....

or you are being Intellectually dishonest ....


Even if you are so arrogant that you think admitting a mistake to an atheist is below you, remember other Christians are reading these threads ..... YOU SIR ARE PUTTING YOUR RELIGION INTO DISREPUTE   Had it been an atheist acting in this manner I would be angrier than I am at you ....

Quote:'Intellectual dishonesty is the advocacy of a position known to be false. An argument which is misused to advance an agenda or to reinforce one's deeply held beliefs in the face of overwhelming evidence contrary.'

You clearly made out that DR Tour was making a solid case for design  ..... HE DID NOT  .... you may see a solid case in ANY complex scientific video and conclude that the complexity shown convinces you it shows design .... The 'Intellectual dishonesty' is when you then go on to attribute your conclusion to the author when it was not his intent or conclusion  .....

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(April 23, 2019 at 9:18 am)CDF47 Wrote: I have no problem with micro-evolution and adaptation.

If you accept the above and believe Design then you have to accept it can't be your God ..... That is assuming you believe your God is perfect and all knowing.

a) If God created random mutation how could he know the future?

b) If he does know all the mutations why does he create so many fuckups to get to an occassional change in a species?

(April 23, 2019 at 9:18 am)CDF47 Wrote:

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(April 22, 2019 at 8:55 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: Oh, I forgot to mention that you lie a lot too. Sorry, but you started off this discussion with unsupported assertions based upon your own incredulity and ignorance, and nothing more. As I said before, you're really not very good at this. There are several viable models to explain the origins of DNA and its properties. Get an education, numb nuts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Models_of_DNA_evolution

I have no problem with micro-evolution and adaptation.

Which doesn't address your unsupported claim that complexity in DNA proves the existence of a designer. Your claim is essentially nothing more than an argument from ignorance.

Obviously, complexity is beyond your understanding. But the fact that you cannot understand how something came to be does not indicate that you may conclude it was designed. On the contrary, lack of understanding indicates that you cannot conclude design or anything else. Get and education, numb nuts.

(April 23, 2019 at 9:16 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(April 22, 2019 at 4:49 pm)madog Wrote: I never asked you to defend posting the video, but the numerous lies you told about the author and its contents, such as .... a quote from you :- 'He makes a really solid case for design.'

He shows things must have been designed.

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(April 22, 2019 at 6:03 pm)madog Wrote: Whats your thoughts on an opposition that claims victory because you won't watch a video they present and then when you do it has nothing to do with the debate? then they lie about it when called out?

I don't think he did that.  Would be cool if he would come back and defend his video he posted.

I took her to a supermarket
I don't know why, but I had to start
Somewhere
So it started ... there

(April 23, 2019 at 9:57 am)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(April 23, 2019 at 9:38 am)CDF47 Wrote: I have faith in the things that cannot be seen but I used reason to discover there is a Designer.

I have no problem with it.

The first and best lies we tell are the ones we tell ourselves.  

You didn't reason your way to belief if the process involved anything you've mentioned in all of these many pages.  Why engage in this little charade to begin with, though?  You and I both know that's not how you came to your beliefs - and that's okay-...just as you and I both know that you very much do take issue with the notion that you're an evolved ape.  

IMO, you need to work more on being comfortable and honest with your faith and less on rationalizing it to atheists and yourself ad hoc.  

Quote:Even science states we came from the dust of a star that exploded billions of years ago.  Even the iron in our blood was once at the core of a star.  We are made of dust as the Bible states.

"Magic book says".  

IDK what use it would be to point to what "science states", when scientists get things wrong all the time.  Science also states that magic book was comically wrong about space, the stars, and our origins.  Pick a lane.

I am not an evolved ape. 

Science does not say that.  Look at the Day-Age Interpretation of the Bible.  I think you must know by now that you were created.  How could you not?

(April 23, 2019 at 10:08 pm)CDF47 Wrote:  Science does not say that.  Look at the Day-Age Interpretation of the Bible.  I think you must know by now that you were created.  How could you not?

Pick up an evolutionary science book and read it. I think you must know by now that you were created by your parents. How could you not?

(April 23, 2019 at 10:27 am)madog Wrote:

(April 22, 2019 at 11:07 am)CDF47 Wrote: He makes a really solid case for design.

Quote:CDF47

He shows things must have been designed.

When I make a mistake I appologise, it is just common decency, the morally correct thing to do 

You either didn't realise that you made a mistake at first, but now you do  .....

or you are being Intellectually dishonest ....


Even if you are so arrogant that you think admitting a mistake to an atheist is below you, remember other Christians are reading these threads ..... YOU SIR ARE PUTTING YOUR RELIGION INTO DISREPUTE   Had it been an atheist acting in this manner I would be angrier than I am at you ....

Quote:'Intellectual dishonesty is the advocacy of a position known to be false. An argument which is misused to advance an agenda or to reinforce one's deeply held beliefs in the face of overwhelming evidence contrary.'

You clearly made out that DR Tour was making a solid case for design  ..... HE DID NOT  .... you may see a solid case in ANY complex scientific video and conclude that the complexity shown convinces you it shows design .... The 'Intellectual dishonesty' is when you then go on to attribute your conclusion to the author when it was not his intent or conclusion  .....

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(April 23, 2019 at 9:18 am)CDF47 Wrote: I have no problem with micro-evolution and adaptation.

If you accept the above and believe Design then you have to accept it can't be your God ..... That is assuming you believe your God is perfect and all knowing.

a) If God created random mutation how could he know the future?

b) If he does know all the mutations why does he create so many fuckups to get to an occassional change in a species?

More false accusations.  Look in the mirror.  

He allows there to be mishaps in the design since this is a fallen world.  I explained that already.  Good question though.

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(April 23, 2019 at 12:09 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote:

(April 23, 2019 at 9:18 am)CDF47 Wrote:

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I have no problem with micro-evolution and adaptation.

Which doesn't address your unsupported claim that complexity in DNA proves the existence of a designer. Your claim is essentially nothing more than an argument from ignorance.

Obviously, complexity is beyond your understanding. But the fact that you cannot understand how something came to be does not indicate that you may conclude it was designed. On the contrary, lack of understanding indicates that you cannot conclude design or anything else. Get and education, numb nuts.

It is not just complex.  Again, it is FUNCTIONAL.  The code works and operates as a code should.

A good god doesn't allow for bad things. If he does, he's not good.

(April 23, 2019 at 10:11 pm)Kit Wrote:

(April 23, 2019 at 10:08 pm)CDF47 Wrote:  Science does not say that.  Look at the Day-Age Interpretation of the Bible.  I think you must know by now that you were created.  How could you not?

Pick up an evolutionary science book and read it. I think you must know by now that you were created by your parents. How could you not?

I took science in school.  I seen enough of that BS.  I like reading about information in our cells and the most recent information we know.  Not a 20 - 30 year old out of date resource.

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(April 23, 2019 at 10:13 pm)Kit Wrote: A good god doesn't allow for bad things. If he does, he's not good.

He sure does.  It is just due to man's rebellion and sin.  That's why it is just.

(April 22, 2019 at 11:07 am)CDF47 Wrote:

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This is just more discussion for me.  The debate was won with the first post in this thread in the OP, LOL.

Wrong again.  
There never even was any debate here. 
Your premise is false and undefined, and you are not even able to define your terms.

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(April 23, 2019 at 10:15 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(April 23, 2019 at 10:11 pm)Kit Wrote: Pick up an evolutionary science book and read it. I think you must know by now that you were created by your parents. How could you not?

I took science in school.  I seen enough of that BS.  I like reading about information in our cells and the most recent information we know.  Not a 20 - 30 year old out of date resource.

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(April 23, 2019 at 10:13 pm)Kit Wrote: A good god doesn't allow for bad things. If he does, he's not good.

He sure does.  It is just due to man's rebellion and sin.  That's why it is just.

You cannot come up with even ONE example of anything that changed when your (fake-made-up) "rebellion and sin" happened. 
It's nothing but fake made-up bullshit nonsense.

(April 23, 2019 at 10:08 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(April 23, 2019 at 9:57 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: The first and best lies we tell are the ones we tell ourselves.  

You didn't reason your way to belief if the process involved anything you've mentioned in all of these many pages.  Why engage in this little charade to begin with, though?  You and I both know that's not how you came to your beliefs - and that's okay-...just as you and I both know that you very much do take issue with the notion that you're an evolved ape.  

IMO, you need to work more on being comfortable and honest with your faith and less on rationalizing it to atheists and yourself ad hoc.  

"Magic book says".  

IDK what use it would be to point to what "science states", when scientists get things wrong all the time.  Science also states that magic book was comically wrong about space, the stars, and our origins.  Pick a lane.

I am not an evolved ape. 

Science does not say that.  Look at the Day-Age Interpretation of the Bible.  I think you must know by now that you were created.  How could you not?