(April 25, 2019 at 8:30 pm)Losty Wrote:

(April 25, 2019 at 8:22 pm)Yonadav Wrote: You said that it disturbs you when lgbt people become religious. That's bigotry. Scoff away. But it is bigotry. Many LGBTs are religious. You single them out to be 'disturbed by'.

No, it is not bigotry at all. It also disturbs me when women are in abusive relationships and it would disturb me if a black person joined the kkk. It bothers me personally about lgbtq people being religious because I spent years allowing religion to make me feel ashamed of who I am as a pansexual and my heart breaks for any lgbtq person who may be made to feel the same way. If I thought lgbtq should be forbidden from being religious I would understand being called a bigot but that’s not what this is at all. So yes, I will scoff, because your accusation is ridiculous

I see. That sort of makes you one of those sorts who thinks that because you have made certain decisions for yourself, then other lgbts should feel and do the same as you. You're sort of like those gays who want to pray the gay away and think that is what other gays should do to. You're the same but opposite.

(April 25, 2019 at 8:44 pm)Yonadav Wrote:

(April 25, 2019 at 8:30 pm)Losty Wrote: No, it is not bigotry at all. It also disturbs me when women are in abusive relationships and it would disturb me if a black person joined the kkk. It bothers me personally about lgbtq people being religious because I spent years allowing religion to make me feel ashamed of who I am as a pansexual and my heart breaks for any lgbtq person who may be made to feel the same way. If I thought lgbtq should be forbidden from being religious I would understand being called a bigot but that’s not what this is at all. So yes, I will scoff, because your accusation is ridiculous

I see. That sort of makes you one of those sorts who thinks that because you have made certain decisions for yourself, then other lgbts should feel and do the same as you. You're sort of like those gays who want to pray the gay away and think that is what other gays should do to. You're the same but opposite.

No, that’s not correct at all. I respect everyone’s right to believe however they believe. I have never told an lgbtq person that they shouldn’t believe anything other than whatever they choose to believe for themselves. My younger sister is a lesbian and a Christian and I totally respect her right to believe as she does. It disturbs me, sure, but so what? I have a right to feel however I feel. Actually, I have no choice but to feel however I feel. I’m not trying to force my feelings or beliefs onto anyone.

Are you even real? Or do you just sit around trying to find any possible excuse to insult or argue with someone?

(April 25, 2019 at 8:55 pm)Losty Wrote: Are you even real? Or do you just sit around trying to find any possible excuse to insult or argue with someone?

I am curious what other forum(s) got fed up and banned Yon...sending him back here.

(April 25, 2019 at 8:55 pm)Losty Wrote:

(April 25, 2019 at 8:44 pm)Yonadav Wrote: I see. That sort of makes you one of those sorts who thinks that because you have made certain decisions for yourself, then other lgbts should feel and do the same as you. You're sort of like those gays who want to pray the gay away and think that is what other gays should do to. You're the same but opposite.

No, that’s not correct at all. I respect everyone’s right to believe however they believe. I have never told an lgbtq person that they shouldn’t believe anything other than whatever they choose to believe for themselves. My younger sister is a lesbian and a Christian and I totally respect her right to believe as she does. It disturbs me, sure, but so what? I have a right to feel however I feel. Actually, I have no choice but to feel however I feel. I’m not trying to force my feelings or beliefs onto anyone.

I don't know. It is pretty common for people to perceive the 'it always disturbs me when lgbt people....' thing as being a bit pushy. And your own narrative about being a member of the lgbt community who left religion certainly did make it sound like you think that others should conform with you. So I still see you as being basically the same as the pray the gay away types, but opposite.

I didn't say that to insult you. It's just food for thought, which is a confusing concept to quite a few in these parts.

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(April 25, 2019 at 9:11 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(April 25, 2019 at 8:55 pm)Losty Wrote: Are you even real? Or do you just sit around trying to find any possible excuse to insult or argue with someone?

I am curious what other forum(s) got fed up and banned Yon...sending him back here.

In what way are you not a troll?

(April 25, 2019 at 9:11 pm)Yonadav Wrote:

(April 25, 2019 at 8:55 pm)Losty Wrote: No, that’s not correct at all. I respect everyone’s right to believe however they believe. I have never told an lgbtq person that they shouldn’t believe anything other than whatever they choose to believe for themselves. My younger sister is a lesbian and a Christian and I totally respect her right to believe as she does. It disturbs me, sure, but so what? I have a right to feel however I feel. Actually, I have no choice but to feel however I feel. I’m not trying to force my feelings or beliefs onto anyone.

I don't know. It is pretty common for people to perceive the 'it always disturbs me when lgbt people....' thing as being a bit pushy. And your own narrative about being a member of the lgbt community who left religion certainly did make it sound like you think that others should conform with you. So I still see you as being basically the same as the pray the gay away types, but opposite.

I didn't say that to insult you. It's just food for thought, which is a confusing concept to quite a few in these parts.

So, what you’re going with here is that it’s supposedly common for people to misunderstand my position based on what I said. And also that you misunderstood my position based on what I said. And therefore you’re going to continue believing I feel a certain way, even though I’ve pointed out to you that I do not.

That makes perfect sense. Thank you for confirming my suspicions that you’re actually just fake and your only goal is to insult and argue with people because you have no intention of honest discourse.

(April 25, 2019 at 9:23 pm)Losty Wrote:

(April 25, 2019 at 9:11 pm)Yonadav Wrote: I don't know. It is pretty common for people to perceive the 'it always disturbs me when lgbt people....' thing as being a bit pushy. And your own narrative about being a member of the lgbt community who left religion certainly did make it sound like you think that others should conform with you. So I still see you as being basically the same as the pray the gay away types, but opposite.

I didn't say that to insult you. It's just food for thought, which is a confusing concept to quite a few in these parts.

So, what you’re going with here is that it’s supposedly common for people to misunderstand my position based on what I said. And also that you misunderstood my position based on what I said. And therefore you’re going to continue believing I feel a certain way, even though I’ve pointed out to you that I do not.

That makes perfect sense. Thank you for confirming my suspicions that you’re actually just fake and your only goal is to insult and argue with people because you have no intention of honest discourse.

I'm fairly certain that I didn't misunderstand what you said.

(April 25, 2019 at 9:27 pm)Yonadav Wrote:

(April 25, 2019 at 9:23 pm)Losty Wrote: So, what you’re going with here is that it’s supposedly common for people to misunderstand my position based on what I said. And also that you misunderstood my position based on what I said. And therefore you’re going to continue believing I feel a certain way, even though I’ve pointed out to you that I do not.

That makes perfect sense. Thank you for confirming my suspicions that you’re actually just fake and your only goal is to insult and argue with people because you have no intention of honest discourse.

I'm fairly certain that I didn't misunderstand what you said.

(April 25, 2019 at 9:27 pm)Yonadav Wrote:

(April 25, 2019 at 9:23 pm)Losty Wrote: So, what you’re going with here is that it’s supposedly common for people to misunderstand my position based on what I said. And also that you misunderstood my position based on what I said. And therefore you’re going to continue believing I feel a certain way, even though I’ve pointed out to you that I do not.

That makes perfect sense. Thank you for confirming my suspicions that you’re actually just fake and your only goal is to insult and argue with people because you have no intention of honest discourse.

I'm fairly certain that I didn't misunderstand what you said.

I never said you misunderstood what I said.
You yourself admitted that you misunderstood my position here “certainly did make it sound like you think that others should conform with you.“
I do not think others should conform with me, you misunderstood my position. Just like I said.
But you don’t actually care what my position is. You’re just here to point your finger at people and make accusations of bigotry for your own personal amusement. Congratulations.

(April 25, 2019 at 4:28 pm)Yonadav Wrote:

(April 25, 2019 at 3:23 pm)Losty Wrote: I couldn’t read that whole thing because it was so long. But I find it very interesting that you identify as a woman who lives as a man. Why do you choose to live as a man?

I've told my story quite a few times. I was born male but identified as female. I was absolutely horrified at the completely unwelcome penis that was attached to my body. I had that awful thing removed. I lived a fairly normal woman's life for 17 years. I didn't like men, even though a lot of men sure seemed to like me. I think the trauma of having had a penis just made me really hate penises. I was fairly well accepted in the lesbian community and even coupled up for several years. Eventually I got over my hatred of men and started forming friendships with them. I even started to be receptive to the idea of maybe getting together with one, if I found the right one. But I am really, really picky with men. There was one that I might have gotten together with, except for that I was in a committed relationship with a woman at the time that he was interested in me. In my experience, it is the divorced straight men who are most receptive to the idea of hooking up with a trans woman. I guess they are thinking that a trans woman might understand them better. I never did hook up with any guys.

I started dressing as a man when I became religious. Jewish law says that it is forbidden for a man to wear women's clothing. So I started dressing as a man. No one told me that I had to do that. But I had fallen in love with Jewish law, and I wanted to live in accordance with the law. According to Jewish law, I was still male and it was forbidden for me to wear women's clothing. I still thought of myself as female. I don't think of myself as male. I think of myself as a woman who lives as a man. I enjoy being a woman who lives as a man. Before I started living as a man, I never thought that I would enjoy something like that. But I do enjoy it. I'm actually not the only one to have made such a discovery about myself. I personally know a couple of other male to females transsexuals who have discovered that they like being 'female transvestites'. And I have met one female to male who enjoys wearing skirts or dresses.

Oh, now I know who you are Rival.