(October 13, 2011 at 5:12 pm)Epimethean Wrote: What morals would these be in the eyes of one who considers the military as the most noble form of authority?

Do you suggest that the military lacks any kind of morals?

Yes, often.

(October 13, 2011 at 5:17 pm)Epimethean Wrote: Yes, often.

Well, your opinion.
I think that the military strives to perfect the human body, mind and soul in every aspect.

It also strives to kill off every foreign body.

(October 13, 2011 at 5:22 pm)Epimethean Wrote: It also strives to kill off every foreign body.

The military does not strive to kill anything, unless it is commanded to do so.
The army is not at fault if someone that has authority over them commands them to go and kill.

And that is why it should not be used as a basis for morality.

Quote:If any of what I said was applicable to any of the female members of your family, why are you offended?

Because you said this..

Quote:However in the west, girls are generally not really subject to that much attention. And as such, they try to get it by giving too much out of themselves.

i have not said one bad think about Turky, or Turkish women. In fact I hold one Turk "Cenk Uyger" in high regard.

Quote:It simply shows that you were not able to raise them well enough so that they could have some decency when dealing with the opposite sex.

That was a personal attack that was neither warranted nor provoked. In no way would I ever suggest such a thing about you, your children, or your family.

Quote:And well, I think that this holds some truth in itself.
It's no surprise that teen-moms and junkies are generally of lower classes.

How extremely rude of you...and thoughtless.

Quote:Not to mention that all the british tourist girls that come to Turkey are generally of the poorer british citizens, who are generally swayed away as easily as a piece of paper in harsh wind.

..and now you are insulting the Brits on this forum? Mind you that you said "ALL" of the british tourist girls. Just more insults from you. I find you more and more dispicable as the time goes by.

Quote:I'm sure that it'd take much more to persuade an educated, well-cultured and well-raised middle class family girl into having a one night stand.
They simply would not have it to be treated like that.

..and what does it say of you that you talk of them as trash, yet seek them out?
..ahem..

Quote:I've had my share of them, and I've seen girls so trashy, that even a guy who knows minimal english(yes, no, havaryu, fayntenkyu or yumidensnov) can score with them the very night he meets them.

So doesnt that by default make you a rather "low class" type of person as well, seeing as you have "had your fair share of them"...according to your own words and judgements?

Quote:Because you said this..

In fact, I said this:

Quote: We Turks generally hold the thought that western girls are motors. Meaning, they can be easily persuaded into having sex, or any other intimate relation with simple flattery, and a bit of alcohol.

We hold the thought, I said. It's based on assumptions, that were based on general experience with western girls. Whenever someone from Turkey is going off to America, people tell him "damn, you're going to get it on with a lot of girls.", mainly because of the general thought that girls in America are likely to do this. And what we hear from people who went to work&travel, actually confirm such rumors. And America does produce movies like the American pie series. I know that it's a comedy movie, and it may not represent a true view of what goes in America, but these are teen movies, I mean. Or at least they are marketed as such.
And when they represent the proms in America as nights where highschool students have wild sex all night, then highschool students are going to believe that it's true, because you feed it to them.
So is it wrong for us to assume that your girls are slutty, if you present them as slutty?

Quote:i have not said one bad think about Turky, or Turkish women. In fact I hold one Turk "Cenk Uyger" in high regard.

How is this related to anything? I didn't say that you did say anything bad about Turkey or Turkish women. Not that I'd have made similar accusations in relatiation even if you did. I'm just stating things.

Quote:How extremely rude of you...and thoughtless.

It certainly is not. In Turkey, it's the same, I must admit.
The only thing that holds them back is social stigma.
However, middle-class girls in Turkey hold themselves back without facing too much social stigma(although it's still there, but not excercised).
This is due to better awareness, and self-respect. They know that they don't have to prove anything to anyone. And even in the case they have sex, they do so in a committed relationship, mostly after getting engaged, and do so discreetly, even if they won't face any other punishment than the disappointment of their parents.

Quote:..and now you are insulting the Brits on this forum? Mind you that you said "ALL" of the british tourist girls. Just more insults from you. I find you more and more despicable as the time goes by.

This is generally true. I talk by experience. And it isn't really just true for brits. I gave the brits as examples, since they are some of the most (in)famous examples in Turkey that I can think of.

Quote:..and what does it say of you that you talk of them as trash, yet seek them out?
..ahem..

Whom?

Quote:So doesnt that by default make you a rather "low class" type of person as well, seeing as you have "had your fair share of them"...according to your own words and judgements?

Not necessarily. All Turkish males who visit Marmaris, regardless of social class have their fun with the tourists there.

The myth of the soldier Mehmet. Sadly such is not actually the case. No military seeks anything other than victory.

Listen to you by the way, you've apparently been watching Joss Whedon shows and now you feel qualified to comment on America. Do you find yourself fantasizing about american highschools filled with loose women often? We have some pretty girls don't we.

Ok, let's look at these scenarios.

1. A man and woman meet in a bar and have a discussion. They later decide to go to her/his room and proceed to have sex. The man leaves and says he'll call her (which he probably wont'). No problem, legal in most states and those who have antiquated laws probably don't inforce them.

2. A man and woman meet in a bar and have a discussion. They later decide to go to her/his room and proceed to have sex and man gives the woman an agreed amount of money for the sex. Illegal in most states.

Does this make any sense at all? If it were legal we could free up many police persons to actually spend their time on arresting real criminals.