(August 14, 2019 at 7:16 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(August 13, 2019 at 10:48 pm)BryanS Wrote: It seems that Brian37 is angry that we have not yet gone to war over Hong Kong. I'm happy to leave the conflict in the realm of diplomatic spat rather than military conflict with China.

I wish people would stop reading thoughts into my head that are not there.

I DON'T WANT WAR! Stop missing my point.

You can support our values, talk strong, without firing a shot. JFK did that, even Reagan did that. Trump is an inept fuck and a dangerous fuck. Trump's insane talk in dealing with our allies and enemies is exactly what 50 former Republican intel agents wrote about warning America not to elect him during his run.

I have no compunction saying I am with the Protesters. Just like I am with the current crop of Russian protesters. Trump is simply not the leader you would want to deal with our enemies. 

Let me make this clear, a war with China would be a global disaster and there would be no winners. That does not mean we cant have a sane leader using diplomacy , to support Hong Kong. The Berlin Wall didn't fall with a war. 

Trump is simply a dangerous fuck, he doesn't know how to deal with Russia or Un or how to mediate between China and Hong Kong.

Bwahahahaha..

Suck it up ...

You make up what other people say or think  all the time - you still owe me an appology for that....

Now it's being used on you - and you have the audacity to complain?

Quote:Trump is simply a dangerous fuck, he doesn't know how to deal with Russia or Un or how to mediate between China and Hong Kong.

Trump has no authority to even attempt to mediate this.  Hong Kong and China are the same country.  What you're suggesting is equal to Germany attempting to mediate a disagreement between England and Wales.

Boru

(August 14, 2019 at 7:59 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Quote:Trump is simply a dangerous fuck, he doesn't know how to deal with Russia or Un or how to mediate between China and Hong Kong.

Trump has no authority to even attempt to mediate this.  Hong Kong and China are the same country.  What you're suggesting is equal to Germany attempting to mediate a disagreement between England and Wales.

Boru

Or Danzig and Poland.

(August 14, 2019 at 7:59 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Quote:Trump is simply a dangerous fuck, he doesn't know how to deal with Russia or Un or how to mediate between China and Hong Kong.

Trump has no authority to even attempt to mediate this.  Hong Kong and China are the same country.  What you're suggesting is equal to Germany attempting to mediate a disagreement between England and Wales.

Boru

No, way to miss the point again.

I am saying that Trump's diplomacy sucks, nothing more.

I am not looking for a utopia, and again, I don't want a war with China.

I am saying that the fucker has screwed things up and made things worse.

But it is nonsense to say that ANY President does not have authority. It isn't about dictating, but leading. JFK wasn't dictating to Russia in the Cuban missile crisis. Reagan wasn't dictating to Gorbachev when he said "Tare down that wall." 

They were leading. 

China promised to let Hong Kong do it's own thing when Britain handed them back over. Trump fucked everything up with his bullshit trade war. And during his run and while in office has been constantly sucking up to dictators, and that sends a very bad message to these closed oppressive states, that what they do is ok, and it is not ok.

I am not expecting a American style Revolutionary war by Hong Kong. But I also do not want Trump to fuck up the status quo America and Britain set up for decades.

It is the same fucking tone deaf insensitivity and his love of authoritarians that puts South Korea and Japan at risk with the way he sucks up to Un.

Guarantee if it becomes a shooting revolution- the lead will only fly one way - and it won't be towards the guys with the AK47s.....

You're going to get to see what happens to an unarmed populace dealing with a dictatorial regime.

It's gonna be reaall ugly.

Ready to go " stand by them" hero?

(August 14, 2019 at 8:57 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(August 14, 2019 at 7:59 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Trump has no authority to even attempt to mediate this.  Hong Kong and China are the same country.  What you're suggesting is equal to Germany attempting to mediate a disagreement between England and Wales.

Boru

No, way to miss the point again.

I am saying that Trump's diplomacy sucks, nothing more.

I am not looking for a utopia, and again, I don't want a war with China.

I am saying that the fucker has screwed things up and made things worse.

But it is nonsense to say that ANY President does not have authority. It isn't about dictating, but leading. JFK wasn't dictating to Russia in the Cuban missile crisis. Reagan wasn't dictating to Gorbachev when he said "Tare down that wall." 

They were leading. 

China promised to let Hong Kong do it's own thing when Britain handed them back over. Trump fucked everything up with his bullshit trade war. And during his run and while in office has been constantly sucking up to dictators, and that sends a very bad message to these closed oppressive states, that what they do is ok, and it is not ok.

I am not expecting a American style Revolutionary war by Hong Kong. But I also do not want Trump to fuck up the status quo America and Britain set up for decades.

It is the same fucking tone deaf insensitivity and his love of authoritarians that puts South Korea and Japan at risk with the way he sucks up to Un.

1.  No, I take your point, I'm just saying you're wrong.

2.  I agree that Trump's diplomacy sucks.  I'll go further and say that he has no diplomatic skills whatsoever.

3.  I never said you wanted a war with China.

4.  Trump's policies have had no impact - good, bad or indifferent - on the current situation in Hong Kong.

5.  I said Trump has no authority to mediate this dispute.  It's an internal matter within China.  He can attempt to 'lead' all he wants.  He can get on his bully pulpit and tweet what he thinks he knows about Hong Kong.  He has that authority, no question about it.  Be he has no more authority to mediate the dispute than President Xi has the authority to mediate a border spat between North and South Dakota.

6. You're perfectly correct that Trump sucks up to dictators, no argument.  But his trade policies have in no way exacerbated the situation in Hong Kong.  For the teenth time, it has nothing to do with trade.

7.  How do you expect that Trump is going to fuck up this status quo?

8.  North Korea has nothing to do with this.

Please read up on the history of Hong Kong, and try to understand what 'mediate' means.

Boru

(August 14, 2019 at 9:52 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 14, 2019 at 8:57 am)Brian37 Wrote: No, way to miss the point again.

I am saying that Trump's diplomacy sucks, nothing more.

I am not looking for a utopia, and again, I don't want a war with China.

I am saying that the fucker has screwed things up and made things worse.

But it is nonsense to say that ANY President does not have authority. It isn't about dictating, but leading. JFK wasn't dictating to Russia in the Cuban missile crisis. Reagan wasn't dictating to Gorbachev when he said "Tare down that wall." 

They were leading. 

China promised to let Hong Kong do it's own thing when Britain handed them back over. Trump fucked everything up with his bullshit trade war. And during his run and while in office has been constantly sucking up to dictators, and that sends a very bad message to these closed oppressive states, that what they do is ok, and it is not ok.

I am not expecting a American style Revolutionary war by Hong Kong. But I also do not want Trump to fuck up the status quo America and Britain set up for decades.

It is the same fucking tone deaf insensitivity and his love of authoritarians that puts South Korea and Japan at risk with the way he sucks up to Un.

1.  No, I take your point, I'm just saying you're wrong.

2.  I agree that Trump's diplomacy sucks.  I'll go further and say that he has no diplomatic skills whatsoever.

3.  I never said you wanted a war with China.

4.  Trump's policies have had no impact - good, bad or indifferent - on the current situation in Hong Kong.

5.  I said Trump has no authority to mediate this dispute.  It's an internal matter within China.  He can attempt to 'lead' all he wants.  He can get on his bully pulpit and tweet what he thinks he knows about Hong Kong.  He has that authority, no question about it.  Be he has no more authority to mediate the dispute than President Xi has the authority to mediate a border spat between North and South Dakota.

6. You're perfectly correct that Trump sucks up to dictators, no argument.  But his trade policies have in no way exacerbated the situation in Hong Kong.  For the teenth time, it has nothing to do with trade.

7.  How do you expect that Trump is going to fuck up this status quo?

8.  North Korea has nothing to do with this.

Please read up on the history of Hong Kong, and try to understand what 'mediate' means.

Boru

Trump is not a politician in Hong Kong or a politician in China, not the point. 

But as a western leader, he sucks at leading. You agree with that, and that is all I am saying.

It is still his job to use diplomacy to not only avoid war, but to support our interests, and Hong Kong being used to western stile government, we should not abandon the protesters, even if we cant control their politics. Real leadership is what JFK did, and what Reagan did. That is all I am saying.

Just like we are not helping Japan or South Korea by having a POTUS who kisses Un's ass. We have no authority over South Korea or Japan, but we do have an influence.

Let me put it bluntly. It is a tug of war between the free west and closed states. The idea is to influence long term to get them to be more open. You don't kiss dictators asses if your goal is to get them to be more open. You don't have to start wars or dictate to them, but you shouldn't embolden them either.

(August 14, 2019 at 9:03 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Ready to go " stand by them" hero?

Can’t complain about a little soft cover, right?

(August 14, 2019 at 11:14 am)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(August 14, 2019 at 9:03 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Ready to go " stand by them" hero?

Can’t compklain about a little soft cover, right?

The cannon fodder I'm sure would be greatly appreciated.

(August 14, 2019 at 11:11 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(August 14, 2019 at 9:52 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: 1.  No, I take your point, I'm just saying you're wrong.

2.  I agree that Trump's diplomacy sucks.  I'll go further and say that he has no diplomatic skills whatsoever.

3.  I never said you wanted a war with China.

4.  Trump's policies have had no impact - good, bad or indifferent - on the current situation in Hong Kong.

5.  I said Trump has no authority to mediate this dispute.  It's an internal matter within China.  He can attempt to 'lead' all he wants.  He can get on his bully pulpit and tweet what he thinks he knows about Hong Kong.  He has that authority, no question about it.  Be he has no more authority to mediate the dispute than President Xi has the authority to mediate a border spat between North and South Dakota.

6. You're perfectly correct that Trump sucks up to dictators, no argument.  But his trade policies have in no way exacerbated the situation in Hong Kong.  For the teenth time, it has nothing to do with trade.

7.  How do you expect that Trump is going to fuck up this status quo?

8.  North Korea has nothing to do with this.

Please read up on the history of Hong Kong, and try to understand what 'mediate' means.

Boru

Trump is not a politician in Hong Kong or a politician in China, not the point. 

But as a western leader, he sucks at leading. You agree with that, and that is all I am saying.

It is still his job to use diplomacy to not only avoid war, but to support our interests, and Hong Kong being used to western stile government, we should not abandon the protesters, even if we cant control their politics. Real leadership is what JFK did, and what Reagan did. That is all I am saying.

Just like we are not helping Japan or South Korea by having a POTUS who kisses Un's ass. We have no authority over South Korea or Japan, but we do have an influence.

Let me put it bluntly. It is a tug of war between the free west and closed states. The idea is to influence long term to get them to be more open. You don't kiss dictators asses if your goal is to get them to be more open. You don't have to start wars or dictate to them, but you shouldn't embolden them either.

Tell me what you think the Hong Kong protests are about and what you think Trump should do regarding them.

Boru