(August 16, 2019 at 8:20 pm)Lek Wrote: Participants in this forum seem to be interested in why people believe in God. After years of study, debate, prayer and introspection, I came to the decision that I firmly believe in God, but it isn't because I am convinced by any scriptures.  So I'm relating to you the reasons I feel that I believe.  You obviously don't think they're good reasons, but they are the reasons.

Your point/post is honest and heart felt.

Cheers.  

Not at work.

(August 17, 2019 at 1:37 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(August 16, 2019 at 8:20 pm)Lek Wrote: Participants in this forum seem to be interested in why people believe in God. After years of study, debate, prayer and introspection, I came to the decision that I firmly believe in God, but it isn't because I am convinced by any scriptures.  So I'm relating to you the reasons I feel that I believe.  You obviously don't think they're good reasons, but they are the reasons.

So you just decided to believe in god for bugger all reason. This seems reasonable to you?

No. I didn't just decide to believe in God.  I do believe in God and can't disbelieve in God.

(August 17, 2019 at 11:58 am)Lek Wrote:

(August 17, 2019 at 1:37 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: So you just decided to believe in god for bugger all reason. This seems reasonable to you?

No. I didn't just decide to believe in God.  I do believe in God and can't disbelieve in God.

But you said you 'came to the decision' that you firmly believe in God.  Isn't that the same thing as 'deciding' to believe in God?

Boru

(August 17, 2019 at 12:10 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 17, 2019 at 11:58 am)Lek Wrote: No. I didn't just decide to believe in God.  I do believe in God and can't disbelieve in God.

But you said you 'came to the decision' that you firmly believe in God.  Isn't that the same thing as 'deciding' to believe in God?

Boru

No.  I came to the decision that I was unable to discontinue that belief in God that I had already possessed.  I don't remember ever making a decision to believe in God.  Like you guys like to say, I was indoctrinated to believe just as many of you were.  But some have walked away and some have continued to believe.

(August 17, 2019 at 12:24 pm)Lek Wrote:

(August 17, 2019 at 12:10 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But you said you 'came to the decision' that you firmly believe in God.  Isn't that the same thing as 'deciding' to believe in God?

Boru

No.  I came to the decision that I was unable to discontinue that belief in God that I had already possessed.  I don't remember ever making a decision to believe in God.  Like you guys like to say, I was indoctrinated to believe just as many of you were.  But some have walked away and some have continued to believe.

Oh, I see.  You didn't decide to believe so much as you decided that your belief was justified.  That's fair.  I was just puzzled by your word choice.

Boru

(August 17, 2019 at 11:58 am)Lek Wrote:

(August 17, 2019 at 1:37 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: So you just decided to believe in god for bugger all reason. This seems reasonable to you?

No. I didn't just decide to believe in God.  I do believe in God and can't disbelieve in God.

So your last post was a lie? When you stated that "you came to the decision to believe in god" you were being dishonest? Is that it? Do you want me to quote your own words at you?

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(August 17, 2019 at 12:43 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 17, 2019 at 12:24 pm)Lek Wrote: No.  I came to the decision that I was unable to discontinue that belief in God that I had already possessed.  I don't remember ever making a decision to believe in God.  Like you guys like to say, I was indoctrinated to believe just as many of you were.  But some have walked away and some have continued to believe.

Oh, I see.  You didn't decide to believe so much as you decided that your belief was justified.  That's fair.  I was just puzzled by your word choice.

Boru

That is not what he said either. Apparently, to Lek, believing in god is a mere lifestyle choice. He was an atheist (right) but couldn't sustain that "belief" (yes, he thinks atheism is a belief) so he fell back to mother church because actually thinking is just too much effort. And he never left mother church in the first place. Claiming to be atheist was merely teen rebellion for a period of time, to look cool and rebellious, not a considered evaluation of the facts at hand. 

At this point, all he can offer is decisions he made. To be an atheist, to not be an atheist, to be a custard pie for all I care. What is conspicuously missing is any form of rationale for any of it and when asked, Lek hasn't got one, anything at all. Nothing. Tumbleweeds.

(August 17, 2019 at 1:20 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(August 17, 2019 at 11:58 am)Lek Wrote: No. I didn't just decide to believe in God.  I do believe in God and can't disbelieve in God.

So your last post was a lie? When you stated that "you came to the decision to believe in god" you were being dishonest? Is that it? Do you want me to quote your own words at you?

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(August 17, 2019 at 12:43 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Oh, I see.  You didn't decide to believe so much as you decided that your belief was justified.  That's fair.  I was just puzzled by your word choice.

Boru

That is not what he said either. Apparently, to Lek, believing in god is a mere lifestyle choice. He was an atheist (right) but couldn't sustain that "belief" (yes, he thinks atheism is a belief) so he fell back to mother church because actually thinking is just too much effort. And he never left mother church in the first place. Claiming to be atheist was merely teen rebellion for a period of time, to look cool and rebellious, not a considered evaluation of the facts at hand. 

At this point, all he can offer is decisions he made. To be an atheist, to not be an atheist, to be a custard pie for all I care. What is conspicuously missing is any form of rationale for any of it and when asked, Lek hasn't got one, anything at all. Nothing. Tumbleweeds.

Then really bad atheist

(August 17, 2019 at 1:36 pm)Amarok Wrote:

(August 17, 2019 at 1:20 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: So your last post was a lie? When you stated that "you came to the decision to believe in god" you were being dishonest? Is that it? Do you want me to quote your own words at you?

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That is not what he said either. Apparently, to Lek, believing in god is a mere lifestyle choice. He was an atheist (right) but couldn't sustain that "belief" (yes, he thinks atheism is a belief) so he fell back to mother church because actually thinking is just too much effort. And he never left mother church in the first place. Claiming to be atheist was merely teen rebellion for a period of time, to look cool and rebellious, not a considered evaluation of the facts at hand. 

At this point, all he can offer is decisions he made. To be an atheist, to not be an atheist, to be a custard pie for all I care. What is conspicuously missing is any form of rationale for any of it and when asked, Lek hasn't got one, anything at all. Nothing. Tumbleweeds.

Then really bad atheist

Theist in wolf's clothing. He was never an atheist at all. I never "decided" to be an atheist. It isn't a fashion item to be held or discarded on a whim as fashion or popularity dictates. It is a sincerely held position on the existence of any god. For me, I believe in no gods at all. If some evidence were to rock up, I would assess it and change my position according to the evidence. Problem is that no evidence at all has rocked up ever.

Lek is the opposite. He wears fundamental positions like clothes, discarding one in favour of another because fashion. He/she has admitted that he/she really is that shallow. 

(August 17, 2019 at 12:43 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 17, 2019 at 12:24 pm)Lek Wrote: No.  I came to the decision that I was unable to discontinue that belief in God that I had already possessed.  I don't remember ever making a decision to believe in God.  Like you guys like to say, I was indoctrinated to believe just as many of you were.  But some have walked away and some have continued to believe.

Oh, I see.  You didn't decide to believe so much as you decided that your belief was justified.  That's fair.  I was just puzzled by your word choice.

Boru

Exactly. Thanks for clarifying that for me.

(August 17, 2019 at 2:59 pm)Lek Wrote:

(August 17, 2019 at 12:43 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Oh, I see.  You didn't decide to believe so much as you decided that your belief was justified.  That's fair.  I was just puzzled by your word choice.

Boru

Exactly. Thanks for clarifying that for me.

You were somehow unable to do it for yourself? Really?