@Rev. Rye

I'm having a hard time understanding the reason you replied to my original post and started bringing this stuff up. I was talking about where I was on 9/11. Not making a comparison between Islamic and far-right domestic terrorism. I'm not really sure what you're getting at.

The claim that far-right terrorism is a bigger threat is debatable, and not a point I necessarily agree with, but pure speculation at the end of the day, so it's sort of beside the point, isn't it?

All in all, what are you getting at? On this day 18 years ago Jihadists killed almost 3000 Americans and you're here talking about how we should be more afraid of the alt-right? You're drifting dangerously near regressive left paranoid conspiracy theorist territory.

Okay, it is beside the point, I admit that. I just saw you saying "This war they're fighting is very real, and this is the type of shit that Jihadists and Islamic extremists want to do to us simply for being who we are (not Muslims). While I'm not championing America as some proud, noble country that's never done anything wrong, we didn't deserve anything like that" and figured some added perspective was in order. The ISlamists are an existential threat (or at least they want badly to be), but the way I see it, not the most powerful one at the moment. Research and personal experience tells me that, as much as we're wired to fear and distrust the other, the qualities we should be the most distrustful of are the qualities we share, and the more familiar ideologies are likely the most dangerous ones.

Sorry for derailing the thread.

(September 12, 2019 at 12:21 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: Okay, it is beside the point, I admit that. I just saw you saying "This war they're fighting is very real, and this is the type of shit that Jihadists and Islamic extremists want to do to us simply for being who we are (not Muslims). While I'm not championing America as some proud, noble country that's never done anything wrong, we didn't deserve anything like that" and figured some added  perspective was in order. The ISlamists are an existential threat (or at least they want badly to be), but the way I see it, not the most powerful one at the moment.

Sorry for derailing the thread.

They're not an "existential threat"; they're a very real threat, as evidenced by the attacks on 9/11. Starting the body count on 9/12/01 and then saying, "See, it's right wing extremists you should be worried about!" is fucking nonsense. Playing with the numbers to fit your narrative is nonsense, and you know that brother.

The reality is, it's very, very unlikely that you'll be hurt by any kind of terrorist in your lifetime, statistically. However, if we're going to look at the numbers, post 9/11 for whatever reason, and say that based on those numbers, Islamic terrorism is only an existential threat and not something to be worried about, then we should be saying the same for far-right extremism, because the numbers are not dramatically higher.

I really don't understand the tendency of the left to make these post 9/11 numbers such an important distinction. Why leave out 9/11 when tallying the body count? It simply doesn't make sense. I know we'd all like to treat 9/11 as if it was this one-time thing that will never happen again, but that's only wishful thinking. It doesn't mean we should live our day-to-day lives in fear of some attack, but it doesn't mean we should discount terrorism from Muslims as something that will never happen. Because if so, we should also be discounting terrorism from far-right extremists as something that will never happen.

This bizarre attempt to shift the conversation in hopes of "adding some perspective" is a little strange. Though not surprising. I've seen plenty of liberals do it. Any time Islamic terrorism comes up, some liberal will swoop in, completely unprovoked, at some point and say, "Stop! We should really be talking about far-right terrorism!" As if they're afraid to even talk about the fact that Islamic terrorists exist.

I'm not sure what perspective needs to be added. Islamic terrorists killed almost 3000 people 18 years ago on 9/11. There's not much perspective to add there; it's just a horrible tragedy that occurred because of religious extremism, which is wrong no matter who it comes from or what country they live in.

At home, I was a kid, everybody was like "America got hit !!!!!"
Some predicted the end times. But to be honest everybody saw America as an enemy that got what they deserve for targeting Muslim civilians..

Mmmm were people around here happy that an American behemoth like the WTC was turned to rubble ? I guess when you bomb the countries of others you can't expect them not to smile when you get the same treatment,,

I don't remember much about the event. The invasion of Iraq in 2003 carried a far more memories

(September 12, 2019 at 6:44 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: At home, I was a kid, everybody was like "America got hit !!!!!"
Some predicted the end times. But to be honest everybody saw America as an enemy that got what they deserve for targeting Muslim civilians..

Mmmm were people around here happy that an American behemoth like the WTC was turned to rubble ? I guess when you bomb the countries of others you can't expect them not to smile when you get the same treatment,,

I don't remember much about the event. The invasion of Iraq in 2003 carried a far more memories

Speaking of the war in the Middle East...

The death tolls are about...

US: 5,000
Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria/Yemen/Libya: 1,160,521



Sounds like maybe those terrorists should've let bygones be bygones. Oopsies.

(September 11, 2019 at 10:47 am)Brian37 Wrote: I was still married living in Lynchburg Va. My now X wife had taken a job at a candle/fragrance factory and I was unemployed. 

She was at work, and I was at home. I slept in late, and woke up after the second tower collapsed. When I turned on the news when I woke up, she was still at work, but she got the news faster than I did, but both of us were in 100% shock. 

It was a kick in the gut, and a very sudden fear of the unknown. My wife's factory let everyone go shortly after the second tower fell. She came home and both of us were just horrified and didn't know what to expect.

I was at the very end of the period when America policies were arguably of net benefit to mankind.

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(September 12, 2019 at 6:44 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: At home, I was a kid, everybody was like "America got hit !!!!!"
Some predicted the end times. But to be honest everybody saw America as an enemy that got what they deserve for targeting Muslim civilians..

Mmmm were people around here happy that an American behemoth like the WTC was turned to rubble ? I guess when you bomb the countries of others you can't expect them not to smile when you get the same treatment,,

I don't remember much about the event. The invasion of Iraq in 2003 carried a far more memories

Isn’t it ironic that your righteous revenge prompted America to do the very things to you for which you sought the revenge in the first place.

(September 12, 2019 at 6:44 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: At home, I was a kid, everybody was like "America got hit !!!!!"
Some predicted the end times. But to be honest everybody saw America as an enemy that got what they deserve for targeting Muslim civilians..

Mmmm were people around here happy that an American behemoth like the WTC was turned to rubble ? I guess when you bomb the countries of others you can't expect them not to smile when you get the same treatment,,

I don't remember much about the event. The invasion of Iraq in 2003 carried a far more memories

So, the real question is: do you think your brothers in faith did good?

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I was at work, and I remember thinking that shit just hitted the fan. To kill a bunch of civilians for allah.

God Bless America! And no place else!

(September 12, 2019 at 12:43 pm)EgoDeath Wrote:

(September 12, 2019 at 6:44 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: At home, I was a kid, everybody was like "America got hit !!!!!"
Some predicted the end times. But to be honest everybody saw America as an enemy that got what they deserve for targeting Muslim civilians..

Mmmm were people around here happy that an American behemoth like the WTC was turned to rubble ? I guess when you bomb the countries of others you can't expect them not to smile when you get the same treatment,,

I don't remember much about the event. The invasion of Iraq in 2003 carried a far more memories

Speaking of the war in the Middle East...

The death tolls are about...

US: 5,000
Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria/Yemen/Libya: 1,160,521



Sounds like maybe those terrorists should've let bygones be bygones. Oopsies.

It is no secret that Muslim terrorists/warlords/presidents are causing most of the damage in the Middle East.
Especially with the advent of mobile phones and social media we saw locals doing disasters and carry on barbaric killing sprees.

But we don't need American airstrikes to increase the body count.

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(September 12, 2019 at 2:01 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

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(September 12, 2019 at 6:44 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: At home, I was a kid, everybody was like "America got hit !!!!!"
Some predicted the end times. But to be honest everybody saw America as an enemy that got what they deserve for targeting Muslim civilians..

Mmmm were people around here happy that an American behemoth like the WTC was turned to rubble ? I guess when you bomb the countries of others you can't expect them not to smile when you get the same treatment,,

I don't remember much about the event. The invasion of Iraq in 2003 carried a far more memories

Isn’t it ironic that your righteous revenge prompted America to do the very things to you for which you sought the revenge in the first place.

Not "mine". Remember that I'm against killing civilians and believe that 9/11 was a low act.
It's a crime inspired by the Western mass bombing of civilians in both Vietnam and WW2.

Nothing is righteous.

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(September 12, 2019 at 2:05 pm)LastPoet Wrote:

(September 12, 2019 at 6:44 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: At home, I was a kid, everybody was like "America got hit !!!!!"
Some predicted the end times. But to be honest everybody saw America as an enemy that got what they deserve for targeting Muslim civilians..

Mmmm were people around here happy that an American behemoth like the WTC was turned to rubble ? I guess when you bomb the countries of others you can't expect them not to smile when you get the same treatment,,

I don't remember much about the event. The invasion of Iraq in 2003 carried a far more memories

So, the real question is: do you think your brothers in faith did good?

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I was at work, and I remember thinking that shit just hitted the fan. To kill a bunch of civilians for allah.

They are not my brothers.
Remember that those people would kill me too if it served their cause.

(September 12, 2019 at 2:05 pm)LastPoet Wrote:

(September 12, 2019 at 6:44 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: At home, I was a kid, everybody was like "America got hit !!!!!"
Some predicted the end times. But to be honest everybody saw America as an enemy that got what they deserve for targeting Muslim civilians..

Mmmm were people around here happy that an American behemoth like the WTC was turned to rubble ? I guess when you bomb the countries of others you can't expect them not to smile when you get the same treatment,,

I don't remember much about the event. The invasion of Iraq in 2003 carried a far more memories

So, the real question is: do you think your brothers in faith did good?

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I was at work, and I remember thinking that shit just hitted the fan. To kill a bunch of civilians for allah.

That was disgusting.  It is MUCH better to kill a bunch of civilians for Jesus.

Boru