It;s probably harder to study for "did not walk in front of mack" than it is "kept eating daddies onioin bagels that he specifically put in the back and told them time and time again not to eat and I just get so hungry and whackwhackwhackwhackwhack", Rev.

I was spanked and I was beaten black, blue, and bloody. By the time I graduated high school I had been given black eyes, a broken nose, been knocked unconscious, been kicked in the ribs, been dragged down the driveway by my hair...I could go on with gory details but won't.

I have three kids. My oldest was hard-headed and stubborn as all get out. No amount of talking, explaining, time outs, and all the other things you are supposed to do worked if she had her mind set. A couple examples from before she was even in school. After dozens of talks about the danger of the stove and that she should stay away from it so she wouldn't get hurt, she put her comb and brush on a burner and climbed onto a chair and turned it on starting a fire and setting off smoke alarms...my bad, I had to use the bathroom for two minutes.

Another day I spoke to her over and over again about not jumping on my bed. I tried to explain she could fall off and get hurt. She claimed to understand. Well, after doing it again, falling off and splitting her head open on the radiator to the point where she needed stitches, she finally understood and didn't jump on the bed any more. She might have responded to a spanking before we had to make a trip to the ER but we will never know. She abused herself to learn that lesson.

My middle child was a daredevil and not much was going to stop her. My youngest stopped certain behaviors if I raised my eyebrow at him.

There was the occasional pop on a well padded diapered rear end.

There were occasional pops on hands that reached one too many times for things that were hot or fragile and that had been warned about multiple times. It seemed a pop on the hand to get the message across that something could hurt them made more sense than allowing them to find out for themselves. Before anyone yelps about child proofing and watching them every moment...the only way to guard against every danger would be to put the child in a NERF suit and live in a padded room with nothing in it...nothing glass, nothing electric, no edges, no water, no anything. And sometimes you have to go to the damn bathroom, or another kid needs immediate attention and you have to look away for a second or two.

Every child was different. Every child had to be dealt with in a different way. Mine weren't beaten - I know beaten. I knew that wasn't going to be part of my method of child-rearing. But there were times that a quick pop with my hand...on their hand or bottom was the method employed. With three, I could probably count the number of times someone got popped on two hands. A raised eyebrow actually got the most attention out of all three when they were a little older.

I did leave a cart full of stuff in a store and apologized to the staff before I marched my three out to the car because I was not going to tell them one more time to stop fighting in the store. I only had to do that once.

I appreciate those who say they have an opinion, even a strong one, but also point out they aren't parents and haven't been put in the position of having to make a call on how to respond to an unacceptable action.

Because it's scientifically proven that if I win the debate, I possess the substantially larger tallywhacker!

(November 7, 2019 at 7:26 pm)no one Wrote: Because it's scientifically proven that if I win the debate, I possess the substantially larger tallywhacker!

We’ll seeing as some of us don’t have tallywhackers is that really a fair fight?

It can be taken literally or figuratively. 

(November 7, 2019 at 5:49 pm)Shell B Wrote: I disagree with spanking even on the level you're talking about, Gae, but I don't think that's severe enough to warrant actual opposition from me. Take one step over the line into abuse and I will fully smack a person in the head with a bat for hitting their kid, however. 

I don't think the kid would like that.
My dad beat the fuck out of me every day for years and years.
One day these two young dudes beat the fuck out of dad through the car window.
I remembered those dudes and a couple of years later I beat them both to pulps behind the pub.

I was worried that I'd be an abuser, like dad.
Well, I smacked her once in eight years, at the shopping centre.
I looked around to see if anyone else wanted a smack but there were no takers.

Anyway Shell, are you going to beat parents with a bat when you see their obese children?  :-) Just kidding.

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Also, I've never understood what is sexy about spanking between adults.
It's just seems fucking stupid.
Of course I've had to play the part before because it seems like most women love that shit.
Does nothing for me.

I'm reminded of a few biologists who took in wolf pups and tried to raise them as regular dogs in a documentary I saw years ago. While they were pups, it was easy, but once they reached adolescence they became unruly, aggressive, territorial and in all unmanageable by the biologists. They had to release them to other wolfs they had in their wolf park and familiarize them with other wolfs.

My point is that maybe the difference in raising kids, who tolerate and don't tolerate spanking is just in their biological makeup.