(February 3, 2020 at 3:36 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(February 3, 2020 at 3:18 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Yukon seems to have bailed out. Colour me all shade of surprised.

His last post was three hours ago. I’d hardly call that ‘bailed out.’

Boru

Not engaging with any response from anyone is bailing out.

A whole crapton of fact, science, evidence, experimentation and what have you has been presented. Not responding to that is most definitely "bailing out" in no short order. It is an abdication of one's brain.

To me it is rather simple. Humanity is a spectrum of ability.  Some are smarter, some are more athletic and so forth. As humans we recognise such difference and indeed rejoice int it. Or should.

Ask me to build and deploy a server for any give task and I am right there. Ask me to carve a chunk of wood and I am lost forever. Yet carpenters seem to do that with aplomb.

YJ is coming at it on the basis that if he cannot figure it out, then nobody can. That is blatant hubris.

Not to put too fine a point on it, I can write custom encryption routines all day long. Yet I cannot successfully cut a straight edge on a piece of wood.

One must always retain awareness of one's own limits.

Oh, ok - fair enough.  By ‘bailed out’ I thought you meant he left altogether (which wouldn’t be the worst thing). I take your point.

Boru

(February 3, 2020 at 2:09 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I think YJ deserves a tip of the hat. When defending the idiocy of intelligent design, certain things are absolutely crucial.

-Maintain a strict, willful ignorance of evolution and how it operates.

-Never address the facts and arguments of your opponents.

-Repeat your misinformed opinion and false facts frequently.

-Don’t offer a mechanism for design.

-Above all, always substitute invective, bad language, and personal insults in place of actual debate.

YJ has adhered to these with a doggedness which would make a charging rhino gulp with disbelief.  Kirk Cameron would be proud.

Boru

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Relies on the opinion of one scientist in face of the whole consensus 

Relies on logical fallacies

(February 3, 2020 at 5:36 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Relies on logical fallacies

I am not surprised.

When the use of fallacies can be made to seemingly support one's pet mythology or superstition, it is very seductive to continue to use them. Even more so, when the 'best apologists', with unjustified good reputations, use the same fallacies, it gives one even more reason to continue to use them.

"If William Lane Craig (he's got a PHd, right) makes the same argument, its got to be legit".

On a more granular level, the conclusions that come from fallacious reasoning can seem to make so much sense to the person making them. After all, we tend to live our lives using inference and induction, and they work so well. After all, today is almost like yesterday, and when we sat in that chair, or one very similar, it held me up.

The problem is, when someone tries to use inference and induction for claims that require deductive reasoning, like existential claims (existence of gods, for example), fallacies are unavoidable. Take ALL the arguments posted by theists in this entire thread, for example.

Or the Kalam cosmological argument.

(February 3, 2020 at 7:35 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: "If William Lane Craig (he's got a PHd, right)

Unfortunately "yes", from a German university of all possible places.
Being German i am truly embarrassed to admit.

(January 16, 2020 at 8:48 pm)no one Wrote: So, in other words, your ancient fairy tale that was written by scientifically inept goat fucking troglodytes has no explanation for how life began other than the conjuring of a wish-granting magic sky wizard?

Unconscious stones got us to where we are now. These stones decided to get more complex after much discussion about the advantages.

(February 4, 2020 at 2:33 pm)snowtracks Wrote:

(January 16, 2020 at 8:48 pm)no one Wrote: So, in other words, your ancient fairy tale that was written by scientifically inept goat fucking troglodytes has no explanation for how life began other than the conjuring of a wish-granting magic sky wizard?

Unconscious stones got us to where we are now. These stones decided to get more complex after much discussion about the advantages.

You fail at physics, chemistry, mathematics and biology. You should go for philosophy or theology. I recommend the latter it gives you acess to easy sheep. The former I would ask "yes I want fries with that".

(February 4, 2020 at 2:33 pm)snowtracks Wrote:

(January 16, 2020 at 8:48 pm)no one Wrote: So, in other words, your ancient fairy tale that was written by scientifically inept goat fucking troglodytes has no explanation for how life began other than the conjuring of a wish-granting magic sky wizard?

Unconscious stones got us to where we are now. These stones decided to get more complex after much discussion about the advantages.

Since when does a "righteous" (your description of yourself) person lie, by using straw man arguments?

I don't think that word means what you think it means...

(February 3, 2020 at 4:34 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Oh, ok - fair enough.  By ‘bailed out’ I thought you meant he left altogether (which wouldn’t be the worst thing). I take your point.

Boru

Apologies, I was a little more forthright than intended. My fault, none of yours.

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(February 4, 2020 at 2:33 pm)snowtracks Wrote:

(January 16, 2020 at 8:48 pm)no one Wrote: So, in other words, your ancient fairy tale that was written by scientifically inept goat fucking troglodytes has no explanation for how life began other than the conjuring of a wish-granting magic sky wizard?

Unconscious stones got us to where we are now. These stones decided to get more complex after much discussion about the advantages.

Yay. Let's all play pick the fallacy Bingo, why not?

This guy:
So, in other words, your ancient fairy tale that was written by scientifically inept goat fucking troglodytes has no explanation for how life began other than the conjuring of a wish-granting magic sky wizard?

Eric Hovind:
Unconscious stones got us to where we are now. These stones decided to get more complex after much discussion about the advantages.

Thanks for joining us, quarterwit. I'm surprised daddy lets you have any slack in that leash.