(March 8, 2020 at 2:07 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: We waste enough money in America on our military alone to prove that a UBI is totally doable. Whether or not it would be beneficial to those who would take it is the real question.

The real cost is wbrecking the very foundations of our economy by making poor people happier for a year or so.

Is it worth it?


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When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.

Benjamin Franklin

(March 8, 2020 at 2:15 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(March 8, 2020 at 2:07 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: We waste enough money in America on our military alone to prove that a UBI is totally doable. Whether or not it would be beneficial to those who would take it is the real question.

The real cost is wbrecking the very foundations of our economy by making poor people happier for a year or so.

Is it worth it?


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When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.

Benjamin Franklin

Then why hasn’t it?

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edit: I looked it up. Franklin never said that. What he DID say were words to the effect that voters could dispose of public property (including money) in whatever manner they saw fit, including giving it to poor people. He went on to say that if a citizen didn’t like this sort of civil society, he could go and live with savages.

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(March 8, 2020 at 2:15 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: The real cost is wbrecking the very foundations of our economy by making poor people happier for a year or so.

Is it worth it?


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When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.

Benjamin Franklin

Why do you rail so hard against a UBI? You clearly have some kind of chip on your shoulder about it. Jeez, dude.

I'm not totally convinced it would be a good thing, but I would like to see us as a country give it a try. What catastrophic effects could it possible have?

Really, only a small number of people in the States would honestly need it, so the toughest part would be deciding who to give it to. I mean, are you one of those people who thinks that all homeless folks are just lazy freeloaders?

(March 8, 2020 at 1:26 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(March 8, 2020 at 5:48 am)SUNGULA Wrote: And OBL shows his ignorance of  UBI

And you your utter lack of basic economics.

Nope i have a good grasp and it can work regardless of your straw men

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Quote:The real cost is wbrecking the very foundations of our economy by making poor people happier for a year or so.

Is it worth it?


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When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.

Benjamin Franklin

Too bad it won't

(March 8, 2020 at 2:47 pm)EgoDeath Wrote:

(March 8, 2020 at 2:15 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: The real cost is wbrecking the very foundations of our economy by making poor people happier for a year or so.

Is it worth it?


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When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.

Benjamin Franklin

Why do you rail so hard against a UBI? You clearly have some kind of chip on your shoulder about it. Jeez, dude.

I'm not totally convinced it would be a good thing, but I would like to see us as a country give it a try. What catastrophic effects could it possible have?

Really, only a small number of people in the States would honestly need it, so the toughest part would be deciding who to give it to. I mean, are you one of those people who thinks that all homeless folks are just lazy freeloaders?

Wouldn't it be given to everyone in the country, including Trump ie. universally, like in Finland?

(March 8, 2020 at 4:31 pm)Mr Greene Wrote: Wouldn't it be given to everyone in the country, including Trump ie. universally, like in Finland?

Ideally, I would like to see a base income provided for people who actually need it, or people who fall below a certain income level. If you don't want to call that a UBI, then fine, call it by some other name, I don't really care.

Or, if everyone was provided with a UBI, I would hope that individuals would have some sort of ability to opt-out of receiving it if they didn't actually need it.

The entire point is giving people who truly need it an opportunity to have some kind of income, which I believe would prevent a lot of individuals from resorting to crime to obtain money or housing.

Hopefully, we could trust people who do not need it to opt-out, or maybe choose to have the money donated to a charity or something.

It doesn't occur to you that employers would reduce wages expecting people to make the shortfall with UBI?

There would be no reason or need to.

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So an quote which addresses nothing

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(March 8, 2020 at 9:51 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: There would be no reason or need to.

True