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I'm Getting Real Down On Elizabeth Warren
October 15, 2019 at 9:16 pm
Her stance against "Big Tech" is most alarming to me. I can see toughening up laws to prevent stifling of competition but break up Google and Amazon!? So-called "Big Tech" is the only thing I see that we have left to give us an advantage on the world stage.
Economics is a subject I'm weak on so I would appreciate any insights anyone has on why her stance may have merit - because I'm not seeing it.
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RE: I'm Getting Real Down On Elizabeth Warren
October 15, 2019 at 10:08 pm
Maybe "Big Tech" means "monopoly" in her mind, which I can't read.
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RE: I'm Getting Real Down On Elizabeth Warren
October 15, 2019 at 10:40 pm
Here’s a video about Google, part 7 in an 8 part documentary called Technocracy about how horrifyingly big tech companies treat their users. This might give you a clue:
While there isn’t a video devoted to Amazon specifically, they do come up quite a bit, specifically in the episode on digital distribution. If her plans to break up Amazon and Google involve anything like the sort of “Digital Bill of Rights” that appears starting about 25 minutes into this video, this has my full support:
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RE: I'm Getting Real Down On Elizabeth Warren
October 15, 2019 at 11:23 pm
(October 15, 2019 at 10:40 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Here’s a video about Google, part 7 in an 8 part documentary called Technocracy about how horrifyingly big tech companies treat their users. This might give you a clue:
While there isn’t a video devoted to Amazon specifically, they do come up quite a bit, specifically in the episode on digital distribution. If her plans to break up Amazon and Google involve anything like the sort of “Digital Bill of Rights” that appears starting about 25 minutes into this video, this has my full support:
It was very difficult to get through those videos with the narrator speaking at such ridiculous speeds. Still, there was some scary stuff brought up, especially in the second video. Still, this just suggests to me that regulation is needed. Nothing new here. Human beings are flawed. We cannot be trusted as individuals to do the right thing. We need oversight.
There is a big difference between bringing sensible regulation into new industries to address these issues as opposed to flailing in panic and attacking these industries.
My perception remains that Warren is a fucking nut who is massively over-reacting. I can get onboard with slapping down regulations to prevent this new industry from abusing its power but to break it up out of fear seems more like a play from the conservatives. It's reactionary and dangerous.
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RE: I'm Getting Real Down On Elizabeth Warren
October 15, 2019 at 11:52 pm
(October 15, 2019 at 11:23 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: My perception remains that Warren is a fucking nut who is massively over-reacting.
Maybe not considering that Mark Zuckerberg had private meetings with conservative pundits
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/14...ngs-046663
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RE: I'm Getting Real Down On Elizabeth Warren
October 16, 2019 at 1:29 am
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Forget how badly Amazon treats its employees -- which is pretty damn bad by all accounts I've heard. I knew a young man who worked at Amazon, and it changed him while he worked there -- and afterwards, he absolutely DETESTED the person he became.
Think of how Amazon, Facebook and these other companies TREAT THEIR COMPETITORS. They buy them up, or steal their ideas.
And let's not forget we've broken up companies in the past. Imagine for a moment if the Bell System wasn't broken up. AT&T's competitor would be NOBODY, because Verizon was created out of that breakup. And so was QWEST, which became Century Link.
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RE: I'm Getting Real Down On Elizabeth Warren
October 16, 2019 at 7:54 am
I saw Trump extracting the Michael out of her at one of his rallies.. He was calling her Pocahontas. It said on the news here last night that she's ahead in the totem polls.
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RE: I'm Getting Real Down On Elizabeth Warren
October 21, 2019 at 1:35 am
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(October 15, 2019 at 9:16 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: Her stance against "Big Tech" is most alarming to me. I can see toughening up laws to prevent stifling of competition but break up Google and Amazon!? So-called "Big Tech" is the only thing I see that we have left to give us an advantage on the world stage.
Economics is a subject I'm weak on so I would appreciate any insights anyone has on why her stance may have merit - because I'm not seeing it.
is amazon an online store or a defense contractor? or a streaming service? or an advertisement company?
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/61448...nt-amazon/
Amazon, Microsoft, Google etc are no longer just tech companies, they have businesses in other industries ranging from civilian to military through themselves or their own subsidiaries. They have a finger in almost every goddamn pie. even pies that aren't even done baking yet.
and if Amazon does something shady or anti consumer I'm sure the Washington Post will let everyone know and won't be impacted by the fact that Bezos owns them
oh and the more influence these companies have on any aspect of govt the more influence they can have on what type of regulations or taxes they will face.
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RE: I'm Getting Real Down On Elizabeth Warren
October 21, 2019 at 1:47 pm
Yang gave the best answer on this subject at the last debate. Kinda get the feeling Warren doesn’t even know what it is. Either way, I’m with Warren that if they’re rich they need to start spreading more of it around.
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RE: I'm Getting Real Down On Elizabeth Warren
October 21, 2019 at 2:01 pm
(October 15, 2019 at 9:16 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: Her stance against "Big Tech" is most alarming to me. I can see toughening up laws to prevent stifling of competition but break up Google and Amazon!? So-called "Big Tech" is the only thing I see that we have left to give us an advantage on the world stage.
Economics is a subject I'm weak on so I would appreciate any insights anyone has on why her stance may have merit - because I'm not seeing it.
"BIG' anything creates problems globally.
She isn't out to end the private sector. But just like big tobacco lied about it's products, and just like the fossil fuel industry has lied about it's products for the past century, she doesn't want big "tech" to become so much of a global monopoly that it hurts consumers. Big Pharma created our opiate addiction.
The problem with mega corporations regardless of industry, is that there is this false utopia that only shareholders and CEOs matter and that a giant corporation can expand forever. The problem in reality is that is literally physically impossible because the planet is not an indefinite flat service where you can get bigger and bigger forever.
There still has to be for ANY business, big or small, the concept of long term management, not simply out to get bigger.
Consuming just to expand only benefits the top. Global business needs to learn how to make money and conserve and care about the labor they benefit from.
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