(March 16, 2020 at 11:38 am)Simon Moon Wrote:

(March 16, 2020 at 10:06 am)Drich Wrote: I get it though.. so long as I leave room for speculation and doubt to my abilities or story you all feel comfortable enough to keep me around. However when I show enough proof or take away your doubt cushion, and I am panning out to be exactly who I said I was all along.. Time to rework the rules to keep the mob's pride intact. People can not stand someone living a life that makes their out to be a lie. And the deeper one is invested in this lie the more the urgence there is to get rid of me, even the site of my posts which were all self contasined IE I never posted on anyone else's stuff unless asked to do so. That was too much even is that level of censorship is usually reserved for fascists.

After all can't have one christian shut down and run off a whole website of people. People who can't seem to break or refute one of his biblical arguments.

What is ironic, is that what most of you were trying to do "Ignore me and I will go away/don't answer my questions, fill my threads with non related commentary" was exactly what i forced you to do by putting the OP in video form. IT forced people into silence, people who would otherwise disrupt my efforts by using strawman and red herrings, were forced to remain topically silent, which allowed me to pick and choose. So rather than spend 4 hours a day there.. I was down to about 15 mins. which frees me up to make more videos and answer more serious questions.

 I can guarantee that your arguments have not affected anyone that understands: good standards of evidence, the correct application of skepticism, critical thinking, and logic.

There is a word that sums up that list.

Indoctrinated.

So yeah if you are taught  good standards of evidence, the correct application of skepticism, critical thinking, and logic, will always exclude God you might be right. however if one approaches the subject with a truly open mind then that person is a candidate to experience God for themselves, as nothing I am sharing is limited to me or some elite ruling class. God is accessible to everyone on a one on one level.

Only the indoctrinated are hard wired to refuse to listen to anything because it does not fit their pre programmed path of acceptability. they can and will never be humble enough even inwardly to even start the process of approaching God.

So good work.. I think your POV is cute as well, plus accurate to a degree (just minus the spin of superiority you put on it/the cute part)

Were you good friends with Timothy Leary, drick?

(March 16, 2020 at 11:45 am)Drich Wrote:

(March 16, 2020 at 11:38 am)Simon Moon Wrote:  I can guarantee that your arguments have not affected anyone that understands: good standards of evidence, the correct application of skepticism, critical thinking, and logic.

There is a word that sums up that list.

Indoctrinated.

So yeah if you are taught  good standards of evidence, the correct application of skepticism, critical thinking, and logic, will always exclude God you might be right. however if one approaches the subject with a truly open mind then that person is a candidate to experience God for themselves, as nothing I am sharing is limited to me or some elite ruling class. God is accessible to everyone on a one on one level.

Only the indoctrinated are hard wired to refuse to listen to anything because it does not fit their pre programmed path of acceptability. they can and will never be humble enough even inwardly to even start the process of approaching God.

So good work.. I think your POV is cute as well, plus accurate to a degree (just minus the spin of superiority you put on it/the cute part)

First of all, I was a sincere believer for decades, until I discovered what good standards of evidence and skepticism are.

I do not exclude a god or gods. I am completely open to being convinced that a god exists. I mean that sincerely.

I'll bet I am more open to being convinced that a god or gods exists, than you are of being convinced that a god other than Yahweh/Jesus exists.

It is not my fault that you, or any other theist, has ever been able to support your god claims with: demonstrable and falsifiable evidence, reasoned argument, and valid and sound logic.

Anyone who has proof of a god has no need for faith in that god.
Paul said they were saved by their faith.
Oh oh. Now what are they gonna do ?

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(March 13, 2020 at 7:24 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Listened to it.

So... a strange ramble?

Weird "I can talk to people with my mind' comment about 06:00 minutes in.

So... at 07:00-ish you're commenting about 'Doubring Thomas'. Okay, Thomas got to physically POKE at the resurrected Jesus.
Strange that said figure didn't stick around to KEEP letting people poke at said evidence.
Now all we ahve are second, third, fourth etc accounts and NOTHING else.
No actual, specific hill. No actual specific tomb. Characters from magic book that don't actually, quite, line up with archeology. etc.

Yay! YOU had a personal thing inside your brain. How might you show that 'Feeling' inside your brain has any comport to the obviously uncaring reality around us all?

Not at work.  

You're going to have to remember this is someone who claimed to be cured of Aids. 

He's :
- A few peas short of a casserole.
. The gates are down and the lights are flashing, but the train isn't coming.
. An intellect rivaled only by garden tools.
. Has an IQ of room temperature.

(March 16, 2020 at 12:13 pm)no one Wrote: Were you good friends with Timothy Leary, drick?

sorry never heard of him who is timothy leary?
nooner?

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(March 16, 2020 at 12:33 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: First of all, I was a sincere believer for decades, until I discovered what good standards of evidence and skepticism are.

whatever dude..
translation: you were taught how to question in a way the bible was not designed to give straight answers. Thought God would personally fill in the blanks. he didn't your house of faith fell when the wind and rain hit it.

Quote:I do not exclude a god or gods. I am completely open to being convinced that a god exists. I mean that sincerely.

then watch the video and meet him on his terms. He is not coming to you... or even if he has, your understanding/prejudice of God (how God is to approach you) will not allow you to identify him as such. Could you identify God if he were a member here? If he started speaking to you as a common person could you pick him out?

Quote:I'll bet I am more open to being convinced that a god or gods exists, than you are of being convinced that a god other than Yahweh/Jesus exists.

brother if you could only stand in my shoes, and honestly experienced all I have you would know why I know what I know.

Quote:It is not my fault that you, or any other theist, has ever been able to support your god claims with: demonstrable and falsifiable evidence, reasoned argument, and valid and sound logic.

don't need to... falsifiability demonstrable claims are reserved for science projects. God is not a science project. the study of God has it's own set of balances and standard that have to be met. As no one can summon God or make him appear on demand. However God himself has promised to respond to those who meet him on his terms. This can be actively proven in the fact that only 4% of the world's population think as you do. At some level across the world and generations people have reached out and someone or something has reached back on some level.

Quote:sorry never heard of him who is timothy leary?

American psychologist and LSD guru. ‘Tune in, turn on, and drop out.’ Look him up. He was an interesting cat.

Boru

(March 16, 2020 at 2:01 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Anyone who has proof of a god has no need for faith in that god.
Paul said they were saved by their faith.
Oh oh. Now what are they gonna do ?

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(March 13, 2020 at 7:24 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Listened to it.

So... a strange ramble?

Weird "I can talk to people with my mind' comment about 06:00 minutes in.

So... at 07:00-ish you're commenting about 'Doubring Thomas'. Okay, Thomas got to physically POKE at the resurrected Jesus.
Strange that said figure didn't stick around to KEEP letting people poke at said evidence.
Now all we ahve are second, third, fourth etc accounts and NOTHING else.
No actual, specific hill. No actual specific tomb. Characters from magic book that don't actually, quite, line up with archeology. etc.

Yay! YOU had a personal thing inside your brain. How might you show that 'Feeling' inside your brain has any comport to the obviously uncaring reality around us all?

Not at work.  

You're going to have to remember this is someone who claimed to be cured of Aids. 

He's :
- A few peas short of a casserole.
. The gates are down and the lights are flashing, but the train isn't coming.
. An intellect rivaled only by garden tools.
. Has an IQ of room temperature.

which is why I point out all the time this is not a matter of salvation. salvation is easy any one can obtain it. To have evidence of God one must meet God on his terms. He even said in his parable of the persistent neighbor that 'we don't have to be friends' if you A.S.K. persistently that God will give you the Holy Spirit meaning even if you are not saved. again all in luke 11.

(March 16, 2020 at 2:35 pm)Drich Wrote:

(March 16, 2020 at 2:01 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Anyone who has proof of a god has no need for faith in that god.
Paul said they were saved by their faith.
Oh oh. Now what are they gonna do ?

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You're going to have to remember this is someone who claimed to be cured of Aids. 

He's :
- A few peas short of a casserole.
. The gates are down and the lights are flashing, but the train isn't coming.
. An intellect rivaled only by garden tools.
. Has an IQ of room temperature.

which is why I point out all the time this is not a matter of salvation. salvation is easy any one can obtain it. To have evidence of God one must meet God on his terms. He even said in his parable of the persistent neighbor that 'we don't have to be friends' if you A.S.K. persistently that God will give you the Holy Spirit meaning even if you are not saved. again all in luke 11.

This basically means you must believe in God in order to believe in God.

Boru

(March 16, 2020 at 2:48 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(March 16, 2020 at 2:35 pm)Drich Wrote: which is why I point out all the time this is not a matter of salvation. salvation is easy any one can obtain it. To have evidence of God one must meet God on his terms. He even said in his parable of the persistent neighbor that 'we don't have to be friends' if you A.S.K. persistently that God will give you the Holy Spirit meaning even if you are not saved. again all in luke 11.

This basically means you must believe in God in order to believe in God.

Boru

He has a very fucking stupid god. 
His god can't tell the difference between someone who says they believe and someone who actually believes. 

These people are so stupid. 
They think if you *say* "I believe in the pink elephant out by the garage" it is the same as *if* there were a pink elephant out by the garage.
It may be his interpretation of Luke. 1. Drich has no Bible education ... his opinion is worthless. He's not a scholar. 2. He's never established that his scriptures have any authority..and why would they. The gospels are proclamations of what believers believed. Nothing else. They are not history. Luke (as any scholar knows) did not write "Luke".
This is a rank amateur posing as an expert. He's a total fraud.

(March 16, 2020 at 2:34 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Quote:sorry never heard of him who is timothy leary?

American psychologist and LSD guru. ‘Tune in, turn on, and drop out.’ Look him up. He was an interesting cat.

Boru

smoked a little pot, but grew up. never tried anything else. wife was hooked on heroin for a long time., that scared the hell out of me. Hate drugs and hate heavy drinking. Dad was a crazy drunk.. I might have a beer or two every once in a while

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(March 16, 2020 at 2:53 pm)Drich Wrote:

(March 16, 2020 at 2:34 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: American psychologist and LSD guru. ‘Tune in, turn on, and drop out.’ Look him up. He was an interesting cat.

Boru

smoked a little pot, but grew up. never tried anything else. wife was hooked on heroin for a long time., that scared the hell out of me. Hate drugs and hate heavy drinking. Dad was a crazy drunk.. I might have a beer or two every once in a while

tried someone mushrooms once but think my buddy got them from the store (regular dried mushrooms)

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(March 16, 2020 at 2:48 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(March 16, 2020 at 2:35 pm)Drich Wrote: which is why I point out all the time this is not a matter of salvation. salvation is easy any one can obtain it. To have evidence of God one must meet God on his terms. He even said in his parable of the persistent neighbor that 'we don't have to be friends' if you A.S.K. persistently that God will give you the Holy Spirit meaning even if you are not saved. again all in luke 11.

This basically means you must believe in God in order to believe in God.

Boru

no it means you simply must ask god and research who and what to look for. if you see something don't ignore it. follow that lead then the next then the next.
If God seems to put on your mind  or heart to stop cleaning other men's b-holes with your mouth due to the lack of toilet paper hoarding, or whether you did this for free before just because.. or maybe you like to push old ladies down in the street.. you might be asked to give something up..  then maybe put a pin in that activity for a while to see what else pans out with your search.

Honor God honor the process/take it seriously and your patience will be rewarded.

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(March 16, 2020 at 2:52 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(March 16, 2020 at 2:48 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: This basically means you must believe in God in order to believe in God.

Boru

He has a very fucking stupid god. 
His god can't tell the difference between someone who says they believe and someone who actually believes. 

These people are so stupid. 
They think if you *say* "I believe in the pink elephant out by the garage" it is the same as *if* there were a pink elephant out by the garage.
It may be his interpretation of Luke. 1. Drich has no Bible education ... his opinion is worthless. He's not a scholar. 2. He's never established that his scriptures have any authority..and why would they. The gospels are proclamations of what believers believed. Nothing else. They are not history. Luke (as any scholar knows) did not write "Luke".
This is a rank amateur posing as an expert. He's a total fraud.

1 belief is not enough for the Holy Spirit. there are several examples through the NT where people believed and even baptized but not have received the Holy Spirit. then there are disbelievers who witness the holy spirit first.

Again belief and salvation is a seperate act from what i am purposing here.

my interpretation is a straight reading of luke i am reading off page in context and relaying the information almost word for word. there is no magic there is not combining verses/scrap book theology it is a straight read.

all scholars of note not luke wrote luke and the book of acts as the are both signed by luke. luke being a 3rd party non religious observer, and slave to theophilus.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/study/intros/luke.cfm