(April 11, 2020 at 6:37 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:

(April 11, 2020 at 6:24 pm)ignoramus Wrote: There is a very real chance that if there is a god, and with all the fake religions out there, (and all of them must be fake (except one)), that God's true religion hasn't been discovered yet.
Why do we assume that the correct path has to be one of the ones on offer currently today?
I'm just waiting for the ONE TRUE RELIGION™ to reveal itself to me.

Your scenario doesn't make sense, if there is a just God who hasn't revealed himself yet, then he already proved himself unjust to all people who died before the *one true religion* arrives. Thus the god in your scenario is either unjust or unexistent.

You trotted our this rubbish once before. Didn’t work then, doesn’t work now.

Boru

(April 11, 2020 at 6:43 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(April 11, 2020 at 6:37 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Your scenario doesn't make sense, if there is a just God who hasn't revealed himself yet, then he already proved himself unjust to all people who died before the *one true religion* arrives. Thus the god in your scenario is either unjust or unexistent.

Just like the billions of humans and human ancestors who existed before the Abrahamic god appeared a few thousand years ago?

The religious narrative considers the fall of man to be the first event ever in human history, thus the first man and woman did know God. But of course, atheists can simply deny the occurence.

(April 11, 2020 at 7:08 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:

(April 11, 2020 at 6:43 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Just like the billions of humans and human ancestors who existed before the Abrahamic god appeared a few thousand years ago?

The religious narrative considers the fall of man to be the first event ever in human history, thus the first man and woman did know God. But of course, atheists can simply deny the occurence.

Yeah, we’re in the habit of denying things that never happened.

Boru

(April 11, 2020 at 7:07 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(April 11, 2020 at 6:37 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Your scenario doesn't make sense, if there is a just God who hasn't revealed himself yet, then he already proved himself unjust to all people who died before the *one true religion* arrives. Thus the god in your scenario is either unjust or unexistent.

You trotted our this rubbish once before. Didn’t work then, doesn’t work now.

Boru

Why is it rubbish, don't you agree that a just god, if he exists, wouldn't leave his creatures without guidance.?

When converting one form of energy to another there is always some loss - in the form of heat.


It isn't surprising that there is loss when converting religions.

In the forms of money and self respect.....

(April 11, 2020 at 7:10 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:

(April 11, 2020 at 7:07 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You trotted our this rubbish once before. Didn’t work then, doesn’t work now.

Boru

Why is it rubbish, don't you agree that a just god, if he exists, wouldn't leave his creatures without guidance.?

What guidance? Kill your kids? Send bears to rip children to bits? Make sinners eat poisoned fruit til their bellies explode?

It’s rubbish because, if it were true, everyone would believe in the same god in the same way. They don’t.

Boru

(April 11, 2020 at 7:08 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:

(April 11, 2020 at 6:43 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Just like the billions of humans and human ancestors who existed before the Abrahamic god appeared a few thousand years ago?

The religious narrative considers the fall of man to be the first event ever in human history, thus the first man and woman did know God. But of course, atheists can simply deny the occurence.

How convenient.

Millions of years of human ancestry and evolution are ignored because they don't fit the "religious narrative".

Do you know how much of a confession that is?

You KNOW the truth. You KNOW the facts.

But you ignore them because they don't fit your agenda.

But the religious will just choose to ignore them anyway. And make excuses...

(April 11, 2020 at 7:14 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: What guidance? Kill your kids? Send bears to rip children to bits? Make sinners eat poisoned fruit til their bellies explode?

Please answer my question..? Just God implies that guidance is necessary. (Yes/No) ?
The logically equivalent contrapositive is ; no guidance anywhere implies no just God.. ? Am I wrong somewhere?

(April 11, 2020 at 7:14 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It’s rubbish because, if it were true, everyone would believe in the same god in the same way. They don’t.

 
There are flat-earthers out there, you know. Lots of things are true and not everyone believes in them.

(April 11, 2020 at 7:23 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:

(April 11, 2020 at 7:14 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: What guidance? Kill your kids? Send bears to rip children to bits? Make sinners eat poisoned fruit til their bellies explode?

Please answer my question..? Just God implies that guidance is necessary. (Yes/No) ?
The logically equivalent contrapositive is ; no guidance anywhere implies no just God.. ? Am I wrong somewhere?

(April 11, 2020 at 7:14 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It’s rubbish because, if it were true, everyone would believe in the same god in the same way. They don’t.

 
There are flat-earthers out there, you know. Lots of things are true and not everyone believes in them.

First off, I reject your premise that god is just. 

Secondly, I find it very honest of you to compare religionists to flat Earthers.

Boru

(April 11, 2020 at 7:16 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: How convenient.

Millions of years of human ancestry and evolution are ignored because they don't fit the "religious narrative".

What millions of years are you referring to..? Modern humans appeared -supposedly- some hundreds of thousands of years ago. And it's not like apes were supposed to receive guidance too. 

(April 11, 2020 at 7:16 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: You KNOW the truth.  You KNOW the facts.

But you ignore them because they don't fit your agenda.

But the religious will just choose to ignore them anyway.  And make excuses...

I would call evolution some absolute truth if things like The piltdown man and such didn't happen. Why would anyone waste his time building a sophisticated hoax to support the *fact* of evolution? Anyway, the latter word encompasses lots of things now. I don't deny that we adapt to our environments, though. But life beginning because of random chemical reactions in some rock.. not so much.

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(April 11, 2020 at 7:27 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: First off, I reject your premise that god is just.

I already know you reject god altogether, what kind of an answer is that?

My question was, suppose a just god exists, Does that imply guidance ? It's a simple yes/no, pal.