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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
October 24, 2011 at 6:32 pm
(October 14, 2011 at 9:20 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Oh we understand them just fine. The logical fallacy, I've learned, it called the bare assertion fallacy.
You are good at tossing out the names of random fallacies; unfortunately you fail at demonstrating how they are even applicable, which makes your tactic nothing more than a bare assertion. Ironic huh? :-P
Quote: It's not sufficient to posit god exists and then use that assumption to prove something else.
Please point to exactly where any of us have done this.
Quote: You have to provide evidence for your assertions before you can use them to prove anything else.
We already have. The fact that you can prove anything at all is proof that the God of scripture exists. It is proof through negation.
(October 15, 2011 at 12:36 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Still waiting for you to explain the Trinity to me.
Tick tock.
*Plays theme to Jeapordy*
It’s not hard to explain (I'll go down that rabbit trail). God the Father, Christ, and the Holy Ghost are three persons that are one in essence (God).
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
October 24, 2011 at 6:36 pm
(October 24, 2011 at 6:32 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: It’s not hard to explain (I'll go down that rabbit trail). God the Father, Christ, and the Holy Ghost are three persons that are one in essence (God).
Try again, Statty boy... You failed a bit...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOAMJH9g4...re=related
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
October 24, 2011 at 6:39 pm
(October 24, 2011 at 6:36 pm)frankiej Wrote: Try again, Statty boy... You failed a bit...
Nope, that's the defintion of the Trinity and it is logically coherent.
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
October 24, 2011 at 6:41 pm
It is logical a load of old wank.
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
October 24, 2011 at 6:43 pm
(October 24, 2011 at 6:41 pm)frankiej Wrote: It is logical a load of old wank.
More baseless assertions? Please demontrate how...thanks!
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
October 24, 2011 at 7:22 pm
(October 24, 2011 at 6:43 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: (October 24, 2011 at 6:41 pm)frankiej Wrote: It is logical a load of old wank.
More baseless assertions? Please demontrate how...thanks!
3 =/= 1
Anything else I can clear up for you?
Atheist Forums Hall of Shame:
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
October 25, 2011 at 8:34 pm
(October 24, 2011 at 7:22 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: 3 =/= 1
Anything else I can clear up for you?
I see your understanding of the law of contradiction has not improved any since our last discussion on it.
God being three in person (A) and one in essence (B) is not a contradiction since persons and essence are not the same relationally.
Anything else dealing with logic I can clear up for you? 
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
October 25, 2011 at 8:59 pm
Define essence and then provide an example of the same.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
October 25, 2011 at 9:15 pm
(October 25, 2011 at 8:59 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Define essence and then provide an example of the same.
Essence is defined as something's nature. The three members of the Godhead all share a divine nature, but none of the three is the same as the other two or the totality of the Godhead.
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
October 25, 2011 at 9:17 pm
(This post was last modified: October 25, 2011 at 9:17 pm by Epimethean.)
While we wait for that, is it fair to think of god as a thing with multiple personalities? I mean, if we are going to continue the ring round the rosie of there being no evidence beyond an allegorical text that has issues with time and factuality, can we at least try to look at this fractured being as something we can understand in some rational way? If the answer is no to this, why do you bother to continue on this tack, Stat? Saying things that defy logic (which this trinity does), for which there is no evidence, and which ultimately requires either a leap of faith or a dismissal with the old, "god is not to be understood by the mind of man) leads nowhere unless you are simply here for the redundancy of the disconnect atheists will continue to feel between nonsense and sensibility.
Oh dear. That was not an answer that is likely to be accepted up there, Stat.
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