(October 25, 2011 at 8:35 pm)Darwinian Wrote: That's very funny

Is this what counts as an argument in your mind?

(October 25, 2011 at 8:36 pm)Shell B Wrote: It's funny that is the position you take when you are asserting the Earth is only 6,000 years old. Have you personally dated the Earth, Stat? Have you so much as considered the age of the Earth past what other Creationists have spoon fed you? Doubt it, precious.

Is it ok if I just restate your argument back to you since it obviously cuts both ways?

“Have you personally dated the Earth, Shell? Have you so much as considered the age of the Earth past what high school textbooks have spoon fed you? Doubt it, precious.”

In fact I am quite familiar with the methods used by both “old earthers” and “young earthers” and the methods used by “young earthers” are far superior and consistent with scientific observation.

Music was around before humans. Whales sing. Birds make music that is learned.. Bird calls, however, are instinctual. This means that music is already in the gene pool and is produced by animals capable of performing the music.

(October 25, 2011 at 8:48 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Is it ok if I just restate your argument back to you since it obviously cuts both ways?

Sure, you're still falling victim to it, either way.

Quote:In fact I am quite familiar with the methods used by both “old earthers” and “young earthers” and the methods used by “young earthers” are far superior and consistent with scientific observation.

Oh, for fuck's sake. This is like, "My toy is better than yours." "How?" "It is superior." Prove it, Stat. Prove you are not here to merely piss on everything you do not believe by asserting that everything you do believe is superior and more logical. So far, all you have done is show us how much of a superiority complex you have and that you really know how to say something is better without ever showing it. 6,000 years suits an outdated interpretation of the bible. The bible doesn't even literally say that. It is just what some idiot before you guessed.

(October 25, 2011 at 8:46 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Yeah, and apples and oranges are the same too. Sorry, the only people who have trouble with identity are you godly types. We don't have triune demi gods and whatnot.

Please refrain from using completely incoherent arguments, thanks.

Quote: Aside from the fact that absolutely nothing makes sense from your worldview,

Au contraire, my worldview is the only one that can make sense of knowledge itself.

Quote: Are you any better at playing the piano than a chimp, personally? Why not? (or why so, depending)

Yes I am. I was blessed with a musical ear and brain, it didn’t evolve.

Quote: How do you explain anything?

Depends on what we are trying to explain.

Quote: Yes evolution journals explain evolution, as much as creation journals explain creation. The difference is that one has the backing of verifiable science, the other is a sad attempt to prop up a sagging fairy tale.

At least we can both agree that evolution is a ridiculous sagging fairy tale and that creation journals are the only ones that make sense of the evidence. There is hope for you yet.

Quote: Show the "original design" please.

Why?

Quote: Your belief is irrelevant, the timeline is what it is. You aren't poking holes in anything. Only displaying a nearly unbelievable amount of ignorance.

It is what it is? Lol. “Atheism- taking over the world one baseless assertion at a time, the only requirement is that you have to be a complete ass.”

Quote: Perhaps your ignorance regarding the timeline led you to believe that you refuted something. You didn't.

More baseless assertions.

Quote: Have you personally met the creator? Doubt it.

I have a personal relationship with Him, yes.

Quote: I'm sorry, maybe you misunderstand, I'm plainly stating that your arguments are facetious, and that you, as their proponent, are engaging in willful deception. "You're a liar" is a blanket statement like that.

Asserting someone is being deceptive without any proof is actually a form of deception, tsk tsk.

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(October 25, 2011 at 8:48 pm)IATIA Wrote: Music was around before humans. Whales sing. Birds make music that is learned.. Bird calls, however, are instinctual. This means that music is already in the gene pool and is produced by animals capable of performing the music.

Animals making sounds doesn't count as "music", I am sorry.

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(October 25, 2011 at 8:56 pm)Shell B Wrote: Oh, for fuck's sake. This is like, "My toy is better than yours." "How?" "It is superior." Prove it, Stat. Prove you are not here to merely piss on everything you do not believe by asserting that everything you do believe is superior and more logical. So far, all you have done is show us how much of a superiority complex you have and that you really know how to say something is better without ever showing it. 6,000 years suits an outdated interpretation of the bible. The bible doesn't even literally say that. It is just what some idiot before you guessed.

No need to get upset, this is not a life or death discussion or anything. The Creation model is superior because it makes better predictions. We predicted that it was possible to find soft tissue in dinosaur fossils. We predicted it was possible and likely to find C14 in diamonds and coal. We predicted that prettification could happen extremely rapidly. Every single of one of these predictions has come true in the last ten years even though the old earth crowd laughed at them in the 1990s.

Stat, no reason to assert I am upset. Swearing does not necessarily mean I am upset.

So, your entire reasoning is that your position is superior because Creationists can predict things, according to you?

Insinuating that my apples and oranges argument is incoherent, good, because my physical ability to lift weight has very little to do with my mental ability to do calculus. You don't even buy your own bullshit repackaged.

Don't just keep saying it, prove it.

Blessed eh? Guess you sat down at age 3 and mozart sprang from your fingers. Doubtful. You practiced didn't you. No, your brain, nor your talent for music didn't evolve Statler, what makes you think it would?

Doesn't seem like it.

Oh absolutely

Why? because I think you're talking out of your ass with no actual knowledge of any such thing. You want to tell me what part of the design was, it's gonna take more than words amigo.

Yes Statler, that we've been here a long time, and the earth longer yet, is not something that anyone anywhere is equipped to dispute. The minute you start claiming thousand year timelines you drop off into gibberish.

What was the baseless assertion? You don't have a fucking clue what I'm talking about is my guess. Salivary amylase, google is your friend.

No you don't. LOL. You have a personal relationship with yourself. Unless of course you're willing to demonstrate that your fairy godfather exists.

No evidence at all that you're a habitual liar, rgr. (see directly above)

Whales probably think your piano playing sounds like shit too, so what?

(October 25, 2011 at 8:59 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Animals making sounds doesn't count as "music", I am sorry.

Of course it does. That is just an arbitrary decision on your part to avoid the inconsistency with your theory.

   

(October 25, 2011 at 8:48 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:

(October 25, 2011 at 8:35 pm)Darwinian Wrote: That's very funny

Is this what counts as an argument in your mind?

No, of course it isn't. It was a tiny injection of levity in what is turning out to be another rather dull and pointless discussion involving yourself.

How could you not possibly understand that very basic and simple concept or were you just being deliberately obtuse?

Here, let me help you out here..

humour
noun ( AMUSEMENT ) UK (US humor) /ˈhjuː.mər//-mɚ/

Definition
-the ability to find things funny, the way in which people see that some things are funny or the quality of being funny

-He's got a great sense of humour (= he is very able to see things as funny).
-I must say I find his schoolboy (= childish) humour rather tiresome.

You might want to look into this some day and perhaps include it into your psyche

Lying for jesus is a serious business, no room for humor Darwinian.

(October 25, 2011 at 9:11 pm)Shell B Wrote: Stat, no reason to assert I am upset. Swearing does not necessarily mean I am upset.

So, your entire reasoning is that your position is superior because Creationists can predict things, according to you?

Sorry, it’s tough to understand someone’s emotions in writing.

That is one of the tests of a scientific model, is its ability to make predictions. Those were just three examples of numerous phenomena that the old earth model would have never predicted.

(October 25, 2011 at 9:12 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Insinuating that my apples and oranges argument is incoherent, good, because my physical ability to lift weight has very little to do with my mental ability to do calculus. You don't even buy your own bullshit repackaged.

No, it was incoherent because the way you phrased it made absolutely no sense. You can’t draw a distinction between mental ability and physical ability if you are a naturalist, it’s all matter in motion my friend.

Quote: Don't just keep saying it, prove it.

Prove what?

Quote: Blessed eh? Guess you sat down at age 3 and mozart sprang from your fingers. Doubtful. You practiced didn't you. No, your brain, nor your talent for music didn't evolve Statler, what makes you think it would?

Of course I had to practice, but I had to practice less than others because I had a better musical mind than they did. There are others who had to practice less than me to get where I was because they had more talent than me.
Of course they had to evolve, everything we do had to according to your own Theory, it is good to know you don’t even buy your own Theory.

Quote: Why? because I think you're talking out of your ass with no actual knowledge of any such thing. You want to tell me what part of the design was, it's gonna take more than words amigo.

There are still ruminants of the original design left in us today, we are not that far corrupted.

Quote: Yes Statler, that we've been here a long time, and the earth longer yet, is not something that anyone anywhere is equipped to dispute. The minute you start claiming thousand year timelines you drop off into gibberish.

Anyone who says the debate is over is no longer engaging in science and has something to hide, it usually is a weak position they are trying desperately to hide. Prove the earth is as old as you say it is.

Quote: What was the baseless assertion? You don't have a fucking clue what I'm talking about is my guess. Salivary amylase, google is your friend.

What are you talking about? Aborigines have salivary amylase too, so you can’t say it evolved as a result of our grain farming.

Quote: No you don't. LOL. You have a personal relationship with yourself. Unless of course you're willing to demonstrate that your fairy godfather exists.

Again asserting something without proof, how do you know I don’t have a personal relationship with Christ the Creator?

Quote: No evidence at all that you're a habitual liar, rgr. (see directly above)

No evidence up there, stop bearing false testimony.