(November 8, 2020 at 12:59 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Good, go find a hobby with that free time. I suggest a nice long therapy session to get those loose screws in your head tightened 

No ones "offended" by your bullshit because that's all it is.

The only one spouting bullshit here is you buddy 

And you finish with more delusional cultist ramblings.

(November 8, 2020 at 10:00 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Single party?

Jesus...

Comrade - that's already been tried.

It does not work.

(November 8, 2020 at 11:01 am)MilesAbbott81 Wrote:

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(November 8, 2020 at 1:06 am)Secular Elf Wrote: I watched The President-Elect's speech tonight.  He stated that he is going to be the President of America, that he does not see Blue States or Red States, only the United States of America; he also said that the divisive rhetoric and the temperature must be lowered, that we must listen to one another again and that we stop looking at each other as enemies.

Your premise is totally corrupt. The divisive rhetoric began under Obama and Biden; everyone knows this. Conservatives fired back once they got sick of being bullied and got a candidate willing to fight on their behalf. Arguing against this will only demonstrate your ignorance. I could post dozens of quotes proving it incontrovertibly, but you and your ilk will always find some excuse to discount the facts so why bother?

Biden and Harris tacitly nodded their approval while leftist mobs tore cities apart and murdered Trump supporters on the streets. Only when they realized that it was a failing political strategy did they halfheartedly attempt to condemn the violence. Those not blind easily saw through it.

People have a much easier time being the "bigger man" once they've won. Biden claims to want to start listening to one another again after he has already silenced the opposition through fraud, violence, blatant lies, and censorship from Big Tech.

Seeing as how your premise is already so obviously flawed, there is little point in continuing, but since I don't have much else to do I'll address the rest of your post.

(November 8, 2020 at 1:06 am)Secular Elf Wrote: I am willing to do that.  For me, personally, it is going to be dependent on these 6 conditions:
1. The Conservatives started this culture war shit.  They will have to stop calling me and my people "dirty damn liberals."  They must be the first to stop weaponizing politics and stand down.

Who started the culture war in reality? Not conservatives. Liberalism has insidiously crept into American culture for over half a century in its dominance of pop culture and the most powerful institutions in the country. They have a dominance of media that is so thorough that tens of millions of people are about as well educated politically as a can of soup.

"Conservatism" is about conserving that which already exists; it's about keeping traditional American values and political norms, while Liberalism is by definition the opposite. Liberals have always been the "counter-culture," and now that they own the culture, they see conservatives as the aggressors. So yes, there is a culture war, but conservatives didn't start it. They showed up far too late and with too little power, and got slaughtered. Anyone pretending otherwise simply doesn't have a clue.

(November 8, 2020 at 1:06 am)Secular Elf Wrote: 2. Our country (OUR, as in all Americans) is NOT YOUR CHURCH: the wall of separation between government and religion must be repaired and respected.  Conservatives and Republicans MUST STOP trying to legislate their sacred texts and STOP trying to make America into a theocracy.

This is rich. Again you demonstrate your ignorance by seizing upon a narrative begun by people who similarly have no idea what they're talking about.

There is no separation of church and state, and there was never meant to be. The Founders were unapologetically Christian and the country was obviously a de facto theocracy when it was founded. The Constitution was simply a tool they designed to effect its establishment and longevity. It allows for a freedom of religion, but not freedom from religion, which requires people like you to tyrannize others in your wish to get rid of God's influence on your life. And really, there is only one issue where you liberals cry foul here, and that's on abortion. It's quite telling that the one thing that really bothers you people about religion is that it tells you to stop killing children.

Well, I suppose that's not totally true nowadays, what with transgenderism and homosexuality becoming so prevalent, both of which are clearly pathological conditions that do nothing good for society. And yet, most conservatives are of the "live and let live" mentality on both of these issues, and are simply against the government force-feeding abnormal sexual education to their children in schools. It's simply resistance of cultural tyranny, which liberals hate because they must control all aspects of culture to excuse their own sins and, of course, destroy any semblance of honoring God.

(November 8, 2020 at 1:06 am)Secular Elf Wrote: 3.  Everyone should again understand the definitions of Fact, Truth, and Mythology and recognize what the difference is among all three.  Recognize Science.  Respect Science.

What a bunch of bullshit. What you really want is to force people to understand your definitions of fact, truth, and "mythology," and to worship at your altar of science, which liberals have en masse completely disregarded in the Age of the Coronavirus.

You are a tyrant, plain and simple. You have no respect for Truth, facts, or science unless they serve your agenda.

(November 8, 2020 at 1:06 am)Secular Elf Wrote: 4.  Understand that even though you are entitled to your own opinion you ARE NOT entitled to your own facts.  See no. 3.

All you are doing here is repeating a banality. The problem is not opinions, but with two sides disagreeing on what facts are true. I tell someone, for instance, that coronavirus is nothing to be worried about, and to look at how countries like Sweden never locked down and are absolutely fine.

Someone will cite some number that means nothing, such as 230k dead in the U.S., and claim I am a moron who can't do basic math. I don't have the "facts" on my side. Useless arguments like this go on and on without any resolution because anyone can always cite some statistic that seems to serve their argument and extend it out just a little further until one side becomes exhausted and gives up.

The problem, in reality, is simple. God has hardened the hearts of liberals and made them so blind and obstinate that they have become a nuclear bomb that will literally destroy the world. Make no mistake, that's what is happening. It begins with the U.S. and spreads; society can no longer handle the persistent, wicked stupidity of liberals. Things have reached critical mass and yes, the world as we know it is coming to an end as a result. All part of God's plan, of course, but still incredibly tragic.

You will rail against this truth, stubborn to the end. But people blinded by God can't tell they've been blinded because they're blind.
However, I suspect that some of you are perfectly aware of how stubborn and wrong you are, but you have such hatred for those who keep proving you wrong that you will never confess it.

(November 8, 2020 at 1:06 am)Secular Elf Wrote: 5.  If you are nice to me I will be nice to you.

Yeah, that sounds well and good, but you are presuming that you are nice to begin with, or that you deserve niceness as a precondition to getting along with someone else despite your behavior negatively and unnecessarily affecting their lives.

I'll use the coronavirus as an example again, because of how harmful the narrative surrounding it is and since Democrats have seized upon it in particular to serve their agenda.

You and others do not realize it, but it's society's acceptance of the coronavirus narrative that has almost exclusively destroyed the world (in the physical, which follows the already completed spiritual destruction).

Let's say you wish to protect yourself from a virus by wearing a mask (which does nothing, ironically). You've been told you stand a very good chance of dying a miserable death if you don't do this. So not only do you wear the mask, but you support measures that force others to wear masks and employ provably useless strategies like lockdowns and social distancing.

These measures will literally kill, in the end, far more people than the coronavirus ever will. The effects are already apparent: entire economies decimated, the third world beginning to starve, mass unemployment creating a dependency and drain on government that can only end in the collapse of even the richest countries. You're free to disagree with this, but I tell you with no doubt in my mind that you're woefully, woefully wrong.

What is worse is that all of the facts to prevent this from occurring are readily available to anyone willing to search for them. Those who truly understand the impact of COVID know that it is the single greatest political hoax ever achieved, so astounding in magnitude as to put to shame any "big lie" concocted by the Nazis.

Why don't people know this truth? Because they don't love their neighbors as themselves, as God commands. If they loved their neighbors as themselves, we'd see the misery heaped upon society and put far more thought into what we're doing to combat this virus. Since no one truly cares, God has allowed this monstrous and obvious lie to propagate so that it can serve as a weapon in His hand against those who ignore His Laws and ways.

Imagine that: we are treating the flu as though it is ebola, and destroy ourselves for our sins in the process, which is now nearly complete.

So to conclude my point: if you are guilty of such things as this (and as a liberal, being wrong on essentially everything, you most certainly are), do you deserve niceness, particularly from those who see what you're forcing upon them? Perhaps you deserve the opposite, no? How would you like it if someone took the bread from your child's mouth because they didn't care enough about you to discover or admit the truth? It's neither nice nor deserving of niceness. That's the problem.

And let me tell you this: there is a bottomless rage that has been spawned in the hearts of people who can see how you liberals have destroyed this country through your outrageous ignorance and obstinance. I doubt even the most pessimistic person alive today has any idea of the carnage that is coming to America over the next few years. Tens of millions dead in the worst civil war that will ever be fought. You can bank on it.

Please note I am not advocating violence. I do not even stand with conservatives because I stand with God first. Conservatives have come under judgment for taking His name in vain, and have been cursed with the knowledge of what the liberals have done because there must be war. The war is a crucially important part of God's plan in this day. Anyway, those who live by the sword die by the sword. The saints do not need to take up arms; others will do that, thinking they are being obedient in doing so, as in the original American Revolution.

(November 8, 2020 at 1:06 am)Secular Elf Wrote: 6.  Last, but not the least important: GIVE PRESIDENT ELECT JOE BIDEN AND V.P. ELECT KAMALA HARRIS a chance!
If at any moment that I see that any and/or all of these provisions are violated, I will go back to war mode and do everything and anything in my power to get rid of the violators from the other side.  You now have a grace period.  I strongly advise you all to use it wisely.
If anyone agrees with this proviso please copy, paste and/or share, you have my permission.  Please spread the word.

It's both sad and a little amusing that you actually think their administration has a chance of success. Assuming Trump doesn't win a court challenge (and I very much believe he will lose), a Biden-Harris administration will be the most disastrous political endeavor in the history of the world.

Trump was the only thing standing in the way of the coronavirus destroying America's economy, the only one who could've possibly reversed the damage. Not only will the Biden administration aggressively pursue the kind of virus restrictions that will squelch any chance of recovery, their corruption will undoubtedly allow for psychotic ideas like the New Green Deal to vastly accelerate the process. (I should add that even if Biden abandons the political tool we call the coronavirus and reverses course, the damage has already been done, and was partly his campaign's doing.)

It is truly amazing that you liberals have no concept whatsoever of what you've done to yourselves. You have collectively slit your own throats and the throats of your children in your self-righteous pursuits. Yes, you've won (fraudulently) a political battle and your opponents will suffer for it, but you've written your own death warrants. Only the mercy of God can save you now, not that that wasn't always the case, but in this day the need for Christ will become exceedingly acute. Many have already been sentenced to death, and it is now only a matter of time. Judgment is here.

By the way, they have already violated all of your "provisos." Even #2, they made science a religion a long time ago, which is why you have unaccountable frauds today like Fauci and Birx.

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(November 8, 2020 at 1:10 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Call the opposition "Trumpanzees" and assorted other slurs for a few years -win an election - and now everybody's going to get along?



Bwaaahahahahah. 


Nope..

Now is's gonna be YOUR president with a big "kick me" sign taped to his nutsack.....Enjoy.


It makes me giddy to be an independant...

(November 8, 2020 at 1:07 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Seems that you are looking to provoke people.  We didn't come looking for you.  

I'll ask the members not to respond to you...no feeding of this particular troll.

(November 8, 2020 at 1:07 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(November 8, 2020 at 1:02 pm)MilesAbbott81 Wrote: Why? Is that not what the vast majority of people here do constantly? Is a debate not a fight? This place is a battleground. You atheists make deliberately provocative threads rife with nasty, condescending comments in your quest to destroy all those who oppose you.

I will leave if no one responds or if I'm banned, but I'm not going to just shut my mouth because you seem to suffer under the delusion that this is some place where a bunch of nice people just chat about the weather.

Besides, some good may come of any potential fight (debate). One never knows.

Seems that you are looking to provoke people.  We didn't come looking for you.  

I'll ask the members not to respond to you...no feeding of this particular troll.

(November 8, 2020 at 1:21 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Telling the truth is lazy, And you have no substance just a wall of empty rambling not worth the words wasted writing, And I only respond to point this out. 

No, the truth is leftists know more about politics. It's Rightwingers who think they know anything about politics and are too stupid or arrogant to see their error. You are a prime example of this and thus not worth engaging because you have no insight worth a damn to anyone here . You think writing a lot of words makes you sound smart but that all it is the aesthetics of being knowledgeable without the content, And the only thing that's been weak or a waste of time is your presence here sunshine.

(November 8, 2020 at 1:12 pm)Sal Wrote:

(November 8, 2020 at 11:01 am)MilesAbbott81 Wrote:

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Your premise is totally corrupt. The divisive rhetoric began under Obama and Biden; everyone knows this. Conservatives fired back once they got sick of being bullied and got a candidate willing to fight on their behalf. Arguing against this will only demonstrate your ignorance. I could post dozens of quotes proving it incontrovertibly, but you and your ilk will always find some excuse to discount the facts so why bother?

Biden and Harris tacitly nodded their approval while leftist mobs tore cities apart and murdered Trump supporters on the streets. Only when they realized that it was a failing political strategy did they halfheartedly attempt to condemn the violence. Those not blind easily saw through it.

People have a much easier time being the "bigger man" once they've won. Biden claims to want to start listening to one another again after he has already silenced the opposition through fraud, violence, blatant lies, and censorship from Big Tech.

Seeing as how your premise is already so obviously flawed, there is little point in continuing, but since I don't have much else to do I'll address the rest of your post.


Who started the culture war in reality? Not conservatives. Liberalism has insidiously crept into American culture for over half a century in its dominance of pop culture and the most powerful institutions in the country. They have a dominance of media that is so thorough that tens of millions of people are about as well educated politically as a can of soup.

"Conservatism" is about conserving that which already exists; it's about keeping traditional American values and political norms, while Liberalism is by definition the opposite. Liberals have always been the "counter-culture," and now that they own the culture, they see conservatives as the aggressors. So yes, there is a culture war, but conservatives didn't start it. They showed up far too late and with too little power, and got slaughtered. Anyone pretending otherwise simply doesn't have a clue.


This is rich. Again you demonstrate your ignorance by seizing upon a narrative begun by people who similarly have no idea what they're talking about.

There is no separation of church and state, and there was never meant to be. The Founders were unapologetically Christian and the country was obviously a de facto theocracy when it was founded. The Constitution was simply a tool they designed to effect its establishment and longevity. It allows for a freedom of religion, but not freedom from religion, which requires people like you to tyrannize others in your wish to get rid of God's influence on your life. And really, there is only one issue where you liberals cry foul here, and that's on abortion. It's quite telling that the one thing that really bothers you people about religion is that it tells you to stop killing children.

Well, I suppose that's not totally true nowadays, what with transgenderism and homosexuality becoming so prevalent, both of which are clearly pathological conditions that do nothing good for society. And yet, most conservatives are of the "live and let live" mentality on both of these issues, and are simply against the government force-feeding abnormal sexual education to their children in schools. It's simply resistance of cultural tyranny, which liberals hate because they must control all aspects of culture to excuse their own sins and, of course, destroy any semblance of honoring God.


What a bunch of bullshit. What you really want is to force people to understand your definitions of fact, truth, and "mythology," and to worship at your altar of science, which liberals have en masse completely disregarded in the Age of the Coronavirus.

You are a tyrant, plain and simple. You have no respect for Truth, facts, or science unless they serve your agenda.


All you are doing here is repeating a banality. The problem is not opinions, but with two sides disagreeing on what facts are true. I tell someone, for instance, that coronavirus is nothing to be worried about, and to look at how countries like Sweden never locked down and are absolutely fine.

Someone will cite some number that means nothing, such as 230k dead in the U.S., and claim I am a moron who can't do basic math. I don't have the "facts" on my side. Useless arguments like this go on and on without any resolution because anyone can always cite some statistic that seems to serve their argument and extend it out just a little further until one side becomes exhausted and gives up.

The problem, in reality, is simple. God has hardened the hearts of liberals and made them so blind and obstinate that they have become a nuclear bomb that will literally destroy the world. Make no mistake, that's what is happening. It begins with the U.S. and spreads; society can no longer handle the persistent, wicked stupidity of liberals. Things have reached critical mass and yes, the world as we know it is coming to an end as a result. All part of God's plan, of course, but still incredibly tragic.

You will rail against this truth, stubborn to the end. But people blinded by God can't tell they've been blinded because they're blind.
However, I suspect that some of you are perfectly aware of how stubborn and wrong you are, but you have such hatred for those who keep proving you wrong that you will never confess it.



Yeah, that sounds well and good, but you are presuming that you are nice to begin with, or that you deserve niceness as a precondition to getting along with someone else despite your behavior negatively and unnecessarily affecting their lives.

I'll use the coronavirus as an example again, because of how harmful the narrative surrounding it is and since Democrats have seized upon it in particular to serve their agenda.

You and others do not realize it, but it's society's acceptance of the coronavirus narrative that has almost exclusively destroyed the world (in the physical, which follows the already completed spiritual destruction).

Let's say you wish to protect yourself from a virus by wearing a mask (which does nothing, ironically). You've been told you stand a very good chance of dying a miserable death if you don't do this. So not only do you wear the mask, but you support measures that force others to wear masks and employ provably useless strategies like lockdowns and social distancing.

These measures will literally kill, in the end, far more people than the coronavirus ever will. The effects are already apparent: entire economies decimated, the third world beginning to starve, mass unemployment creating a dependency and drain on government that can only end in the collapse of even the richest countries. You're free to disagree with this, but I tell you with no doubt in my mind that you're woefully, woefully wrong.

What is worse is that all of the facts to prevent this from occurring are readily available to anyone willing to search for them. Those who truly understand the impact of COVID know that it is the single greatest political hoax ever achieved, so astounding in magnitude as to put to shame any "big lie" concocted by the Nazis.

Why don't people know this truth? Because they don't love their neighbors as themselves, as God commands. If they loved their neighbors as themselves, we'd see the misery heaped upon society and put far more thought into what we're doing to combat this virus. Since no one truly cares, God has allowed this monstrous and obvious lie to propagate so that it can serve as a weapon in His hand against those who ignore His Laws and ways.

Imagine that: we are treating the flu as though it is ebola, and destroy ourselves for our sins in the process, which is now nearly complete.

So to conclude my point: if you are guilty of such things as this (and as a liberal, being wrong on essentially everything, you most certainly are), do you deserve niceness, particularly from those who see what you're forcing upon them? Perhaps you deserve the opposite, no? How would you like it if someone took the bread from your child's mouth because they didn't care enough about you to discover or admit the truth? It's neither nice nor deserving of niceness. That's the problem.

And let me tell you this: there is a bottomless rage that has been spawned in the hearts of people who can see how you liberals have destroyed this country through your outrageous ignorance and obstinance. I doubt even the most pessimistic person alive today has any idea of the carnage that is coming to America over the next few years. Tens of millions dead in the worst civil war that will ever be fought. You can bank on it.

Please note I am not advocating violence. I do not even stand with conservatives because I stand with God first. Conservatives have come under judgment for taking His name in vain, and have been cursed with the knowledge of what the liberals have done because there must be war. The war is a crucially important part of God's plan in this day. Anyway, those who live by the sword die by the sword. The saints do not need to take up arms; others will do that, thinking they are being obedient in doing so, as in the original American Revolution.



It's both sad and a little amusing that you actually think their administration has a chance of success. Assuming Trump doesn't win a court challenge (and I very much believe he will lose), a Biden-Harris administration will be the most disastrous political endeavor in the history of the world.

Trump was the only thing standing in the way of the coronavirus destroying America's economy, the only one who could've possibly reversed the damage. Not only will the Biden administration aggressively pursue the kind of virus restrictions that will squelch any chance of recovery, their corruption will undoubtedly allow for psychotic ideas like the New Green Deal to vastly accelerate the process. (I should add that even if Biden abandons the political tool we call the coronavirus and reverses course, the damage has already been done, and was partly his campaign's doing.)

It is truly amazing that you liberals have no concept whatsoever of what you've done to yourselves. You have collectively slit your own throats and the throats of your children in your self-righteous pursuits. Yes, you've won (fraudulently) a political battle and your opponents will suffer for it, but you've written your own death warrants. Only the mercy of God can save you now, not that that wasn't always the case, but in this day the need for Christ will become exceedingly acute. Many have already been sentenced to death, and it is now only a matter of time. Judgment is here.

By the way, they have already violated all of your "provisos." Even #2, they made science a religion a long time ago, which is why you have unaccountable frauds today like Fauci and Birx.

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Can I get the TL;DR version of this novel?

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(November 8, 2020 at 1:10 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Call the opposition "Trumpanzees" and assorted other slurs for a few years -win an election - and now everybody's going to get along?



Bwaaahahahahah. 


Nope..

Now is's gonna be YOUR president with a big "kick me" sign taped to his nutsack.....Enjoy.


It makes me giddy to be an independant...

More of your Both Sides™ bullshit. I have no problem, just as you do, to use mockery of someone who willfully wishes to remain ignorant about motherfucking reality.

Check out anti-centrism, since you got centrism "thought" in shovel-fulls.

(November 8, 2020 at 1:30 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(November 8, 2020 at 1:12 pm)Sal Wrote: Can I get the TL;DR version of this novel?

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More of your Both Sides™ bullshit. I have no problem, just as you do, to use mockery of someone who willfully wishes to remain ignorant about motherfucking reality.

Check out anti-centrism, since you got centrism "thought" in shovel-fulls.

Clueless as usual...

You think you can stick people in a slot and categorize them... Jesus - why don't ya just alphabetize?

At least that's easily quantifiable.

You just can't get it in your head that not everyone marches to one drumbeat OR the other...


But you go right ahead if it makes your life simple...

Quote:Telling the truth is lazy? I have no idea what you mean.

Quote:Who are you to say my words were wasted? I tend to agree, ironically, but how do you not know that the OP won't read my words and see some reason, or some other passerby notice and experience some positive effect? Knowing as I do that it is the truth, then it may well do that.

Quote:Then again, I have found in perhaps every single instance of my visiting here that my posts have no effect on the audience and that the true beneficiary ends up being myself (a lesson learned, as an example once of humility). In which case, I'm really not wasting my own time, just yours.