@Lawz

Quote:If there is statistical data which shows that racial differences occur for IDENTICLE crimes where the perps also have identical prior arrest records, please supply it! Given that it seems black looking Americans commit much more crime per capita than whites it stands to reason black looking perps might well receive stiffer sentences due to their having lengthier prior arrest/criminality records, for example.

I'd like you to see if you can spot the implicit racism in the way you worded this (and the spelling error, but I'll be nice and not mention that).

Boru

(December 29, 2020 at 4:07 pm)Lawz Wrote: The only people dying on a hill RE Floyd/BLM etc are the sheeple who go along with the handwringing "endemic appalling ruinous systemic racism narrative" due to their, well, let me put it this way, again: the only people who think the killing of George Floyd was racist are racists.

(December 29, 2020 at 5:59 pm)Lawz Wrote: I'll read the linked journal article tomorrow probs, bedtime for me now, thanks for supplying an indepth source.

The racial stereotyping by the woman in the OP, if indeed it occurred, is to be understood as being a contributing factor in her actions, but I very much doubt that was the only factor. We shall see.

It depends what the action is. If she'd assaulted him for no reason, then things would be different. As it is it seems pretty flaming obvious that she genuinely believed he'd stolen her phone, for whatever reasons. It is far from conclusive that "race" played any role at all, as is the case, at risk of repeating myself, with George Floyd.

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I must just add that, as with life in general, call a man a thief and he becomes a thief - so to denote society riddled with deep seated racism (I'm not denying there's a bit), especially where that is not firmly born out by the evidence, seems EXTREMELY unwise. Am I the only one who has noticed a decline in racial harmony since BLM really took off? I doubt it.

I think there is room here for me having misunderstood your original post(If I did I apologize)...

Do you think that if the red highlighted portion is true, that even if she had other reasons for thinking it was him, that this would be seriously problematic?  If so, would you go as far as to call it racist?
Here is an example...The woman saw the boy take the phone.  She then approached him and said "Hey you took my phone...I know this because I watched you walk up to the table it was sitting on and take it, also I know for a fact that 15% of people with your skin color commit 40% of the most serious crimes.  With those two pieces of knowledge in mind, I know you took my phone"
Basically all I am asking for here, is if regardless of the other possible reasons you could come up with, does the highlighted portion of your post seem problematic/racist to you?

Or do you think there is a world where approaching and accusing someone of stealing your phone because "15% of people that have particular skin color commit 40% of the most serious crimes" is a reasonable inference to draw?

Woman loses phone and thinks the young man she sees getting off the elevator took it. Not because he had been hanging around her looking shady but because, well it had to be him.

The phone had a different case on it than the one belonging to the woman because the kid just happened to have an empty case just in case he stumbled upon a random phone and in moments was able to take her case off her phone and put on the other case.

Woman verbally attacks a young teen who is with an adult (most likely a parent) because she's an idiot who jumps to conclusions.

Karen is lucky she didn't get her ass kicked for fucking with someone's kid like would have happened had the boy been with his mother. The man knew he had to keep his cool. A mother would have fucked her up for messing with her child.

You can bet if the boy looked like Barron Trump that witch wouldn't have been so aggressive.

Falsely accusing the kid of theft was far from her only mistake.

Next I want to hear she got fired from her job as surely something seen to be caring and compassionate.

(December 29, 2020 at 5:41 pm)Aristocatt Wrote: Free to the public...In red is the really important part for the bar you have set.

Quote:Using rich data linking federal cases from arrest through to sentencing, we find that initial case and defendant characteristics, including arrest offense and criminal history, can explain most of the large raw racial disparity in federal sentences, but significant gaps remain. Across the distribution, blacks receive sentences that are almost 10 percent longer than those of comparable whites arrested for the same crimes. Most of this disparity can be explained by prosecutors’ initial charging decisions, particularly the filing of charges carrying mandatory minimum sentences. Ceteris paribus, the odds of black arrestees facing such a charge are 1.75 times higher than those of white arrestees.

https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/vie...t=articles

Much more comprehensive if you have a springer or jstor account to read the whole thing.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/23367476?seq=1

OK, so the "10% longer sentences" disparity exists, which is a small effect, and I'll offer a non-racist explanation for it, especially bearing my ingenious and profoundly veracious new signature in mind. White looking defendants are more likely to be able to afford private lawyers who are less likely to acquiesce to a harsh "minimum sentence" charge than a court appointed lawyer making little more than minimum wage and struggling under a prodigious workload.

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(December 29, 2020 at 6:20 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(December 29, 2020 at 4:36 pm)Lawz Wrote: Where is your evidence for this horrendous, scandalous conclusion? I'm virtually 100% certain you have NONE.

Holy fuck. DAMN YOU ARE DENSE!

Scientists cannot tell you the exact number of raindrops that occur between the start of a hurricane or the end of the hurricane. But they  even have a "cone of uncertainty". But we do know the odds of a hurricane hitting south Florida are far more likely than hitting Anchorage Alaska. 

Blacks and other minorities are akin to hurricanes and South Florida. Whites and hurricanes are akin to hitting New England. Not impossible, but far less likely.

No evidence then, as predicted. Go watch some facile sporting event or listen to some shite cheesy music, why don't you Brian, that's evidently more your forte than rational, evidence based discourse.

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(December 29, 2020 at 6:30 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: @Lawz

Quote:If there is statistical data which shows that racial differences occur for IDENTICLE crimes where the perps also have identical prior arrest records, please supply it! Given that it seems black looking Americans commit much more crime per capita than whites it stands to reason black looking perps might well receive stiffer sentences due to their having lengthier prior arrest/criminality records, for example.

I'd like you to see if you can spot the implicit racism in the way you worded this (and the spelling error, but I'll be nice and not mention that).

Boru

If the best you can do is pull me up on an overwhelmingly irrelevant typo from just one of my MANY paragraphs which decimate the widely held truth value of BLM et al, in this thread alone, then surely you can recognise you've got fuck all ammunition and basically look the fool. Didn't mention it my arse. Why not start a thread dedicated to slagging off the population of Northern Ireland, as you evidently, through your posting, hold them to be scum. The only people that think the killing of George Floyd was racist are racists.

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(December 29, 2020 at 6:41 pm)Aristocatt Wrote:

(December 29, 2020 at 4:07 pm)Lawz Wrote: The only people dying on a hill RE Floyd/BLM etc are the sheeple who go along with the handwringing "endemic appalling ruinous systemic racism narrative" due to their, well, let me put it this way, again: the only people who think the killing of George Floyd was racist are racists.

(December 29, 2020 at 5:59 pm)Lawz Wrote: I'll read the linked journal article tomorrow probs, bedtime for me now, thanks for supplying an indepth source.

The racial stereotyping by the woman in the OP, if indeed it occurred, is to be understood as being a contributing factor in her actions, but I very much doubt that was the only factor. We shall see.

It depends what the action is. If she'd assaulted him for no reason, then things would be different. As it is it seems pretty flaming obvious that she genuinely believed he'd stolen her phone, for whatever reasons. It is far from conclusive that "race" played any role at all, as is the case, at risk of repeating myself, with George Floyd.

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I must just add that, as with life in general, call a man a thief and he becomes a thief - so to denote society riddled with deep seated racism (I'm not denying there's a bit), especially where that is not firmly born out by the evidence, seems EXTREMELY unwise. Am I the only one who has noticed a decline in racial harmony since BLM really took off? I doubt it.

Basically all I am asking for here, is if regardless of the other possible reasons you could come up with, does the highlighted portion of your post seem problematic/racist to you?

People who fit the appearance of criminals are more likely to get "pulled over" - really, that is all. It's unfortunate "per capita, far more criminals are black looking males than any other demographic" has a "racial" component which pings oversensitive wokey woke "Racism!" fee fees in this day and age but, well, it can't be helped I guess, baring some drastic increase in the knowledge and wisdom of genpop...fat chance I guess, especially in the states...Donald Trump etc ad inf.

Please - what is the appearance of a criminal?

Spell that out please?

You're (predictably enough) just trying to trip me up because you've got fuck all real ammunition. Each criminal looks different, but, statistically speaking, per capita, they're far more likely in the states to be black looking males than any other comparable demographic.

(December 30, 2020 at 1:33 pm)Lawz Wrote: You're (predictably enough) just trying to trip me up because you've got fuck all real ammunition. Each criminal looks different, but, statistically speaking, per capita, they're far more likely in the states to be black looking males.

Backpedal faster you racist ass.

So... black=criminal? You wouldn't be one of them, oh, what's the word I'm thinking of? Give me a minute. It'll come to me.

Quote:If the best you can do is pull me up on an overwhelmingly irrelevant typo from just one of my MANY paragraphs which decimate the widely held truth value of BLM et al, in this thread alone, then surely you can recognise you've got fuck all ammunition and basically look the fool. Didn't mention it my arse. Why not start a thread dedicated to slagging off the population of Northern Ireland, as you evidently, through your posting, hold them to be scum. The only people that think the killing of George Floyd was racist are racists.

Yes, the spelling thing was pretty irrelevant. I’m more concerned with the fact that the way you worded that post was implicitly racist - not your views or conclusions (which are problematic, to say the least), but the language you’ve chosen to use.

Can you point to any posts of mine where I’ve said the people of Norn Iron are scum? I’ve been pretty clear that I feel that way about the paras (both sides), but I don’t think I’ve ever extended it to the whole population. Some of my best friends are from NI, like my mother. My father. Me.

Boru

(December 30, 2020 at 1:34 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(December 30, 2020 at 1:33 pm)Lawz Wrote: You're (predictably enough) just trying to trip me up because you've got fuck all real ammunition. Each criminal looks different, but, statistically speaking, per capita, they're far more likely in the states to be black looking males.

Backpedal faster you racist ass.

I haven't backpedalledd one inch, liar. And, no, YOU'RE a racist.

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(December 30, 2020 at 1:35 pm)Angrboda Wrote: So... black=criminal?  You wouldn't be one of them, oh, what's the word I'm thinking of?  Give me a minute.  It'll come to me.

Did I write that? No...but keep putting words in my mouth if you like   All I've done is explain why racial profiling sometimes happens without resorting to "the police are filthy racists!" hysterical conclusion jumping. For all the thanks I get 

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(December 30, 2020 at 1:36 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Quote:If the best you can do is pull me up on an overwhelmingly irrelevant typo from just one of my MANY paragraphs which decimate the widely held truth value of BLM et al, in this thread alone, then surely you can recognise you've got fuck all ammunition and basically look the fool. Didn't mention it my arse. Why not start a thread dedicated to slagging off the population of Northern Ireland, as you evidently, through your posting, hold them to be scum. The only people that think the killing of George Floyd was racist are racists.

Yes, the spelling thing was pretty irrelevant. I’m more concerned with the fact that the way you worded that post was implicitly racist - not your views or conclusions (which are problematic, to say the least), but the language you’ve chosen to use.

Can you point to any posts of mine where I’ve said the people of Norn Iron are scum? I’ve been pretty clear that I feel that way about the paras (both sides), but I don’t think I’ve ever extended it to the whole population. Some of my best friends are from NI, like my mother. My father. Me.

Boru

Unfortunately the forum search function is...inadequate, but my memory is good.