I have to say, it never ceases to amaze me the 'expertise' people with no mental health training claim to have on such issues.

Excuse me, Vagina Sore, while I talk about you like you're not here, because in my professional opinion, you're not here.

This guy/girl/troll doesn't have a degree in psychology. This kind of woo would be massively destructive if the mental health community took it as fact. He is, from my observations thus far, possibly suffering from Schizotypal Personality Disorder. He's certainly not rational, or capable of fair debate. He's read some new age lit. Woop woop.

It's face-palming rhetoric, inspired by bully-bull. I'm over it.

(November 6, 2011 at 1:27 am)Vaginasaur Wrote: Although 40% of depression cases may have a genetic contributory factor, life events are main reason for what causes depression, and life events create beliefs about your environment and your identity with self.

Statically speaking that is. Hmm ...

A percentage of people that smoke tobacco die because of it, statically speaking that is.

100% of the mammals breathed oxygen and died. Hmm ...

Then there is this.

I am very wary of any statistics, especially when presented on their own.

(November 5, 2011 at 8:09 pm)Vaginasaur Wrote: Tell me all the wonderful things that we can look forward to that we should be optimistic about, take your time.

I could tell you about the things that I look forward to and find enjoyable, but I highly suspect that you wouldn't be optimistic about them at all. All I want is that I and those I like are happy through life, no matter how pointless it is. Because let's face it, if I am to live, I want the ride rather to be enjoyable than horrible. You seem to be rather hung up on the idea that we're cosmically quite insignificant. Well, I've taken it a step further. I couldn't give a rat's ass that we are.

(November 6, 2011 at 4:09 am)aleialoura Wrote: Excuse me, Vagina Sore, while I talk about you like you're not here, because in my professional opinion, you're not here.

This guy/girl/troll doesn't have a degree in psychology. This kind of woo would be massively destructive if the mental health community took it as fact. He is, from my observations thus far, possibly suffering from Schizotypal Personality Disorder. He's certainly not rational, or capable of fair debate. He's read some new age lit. Woop woop.

It's face-palming rhetoric, inspired by bully-bull. I'm over it.

It's quite possible that it is just an asshole. In any case I'm going to treat it like I'd treat anyone who behaves in such a manner (coming in here and preaching as fact without the credentials or even a rational argument to back up it's assertions). I'm done with it.

Enjoy your meaningless, empty life. Or don't. Whatever gets you through the day.

(November 6, 2011 at 4:09 am)aleialoura Wrote: Excuse me, Vagina Sore, while I talk about you like you're not here, because in my professional opinion, you're not here.

This guy/girl/troll doesn't have a degree in psychology. This kind of woo would be massively destructive if the mental health community took it as fact. He is, from my observations thus far, possibly suffering from Schizotypal Personality Disorder. He's certainly not rational, or capable of fair debate. He's read some new age lit. Woop woop.

It's face-palming rhetoric, inspired by bully-bull. I'm over it.

How am I not being rational? You're constantly building a straw man and making accusations. I paid $24000+ to attend seminars and learn this method of overcoming psychological stress, it has helped many people with all sorts of problems ranging from anxiety, depression, post traumatic, post natal, bi polar, stress relating to illness, bereavement or body issues including weight issues and eating issues. Appeal to authority is a logical fallacy anyway, it isn't a must that I have a degree in psychology.

It's a benefit to the mental health community, they don't want us feeling sorry for them, they don't want to be seen as different from the herd, all they want to do is vaporise the dark cloud that sits above their heads and to be accepted, respected, be treated normally, not to be belittled. You can just imagine all the kind of thoughts that go through their heads, think about all of the things they're missing out on in life, think of all the things they wish they could change about themselves, the only problem is that they don't have a method of recognising their emotions and behaviour, and how it relates to their underlying beliefs accumulated throughout their life experiences. With this method, they can journal about an event that has been plaguing their mind, identify the emotions that they experienced during that event, and get to the core beliefs of what perpetuates their persistent behaviours.

I'll give you an example of my own:

Event:
It was the first time my mother and stepfather were in the car while I was learning to drive. I was cruising along in a 60 zone and didn't notice that I had crept over the speed limit until my mother started screaming in my ear telling me to slow down. I looked down at the speedo and saw that I was only 5KM over the speed limit, so my response to her was - "I'm hardly even speeding so would you shut up." My stepfather whom was in the back seat replied with - "Don't speak to your mother like that, stop the car this instance."

By this point I was fuming. I planted my foot all the way to the floor which sent both of them into a panicking frenzy and then pulled over to the side of the road. I then jumped in the back and my stepfather took over with the driving.

I was still a bit hotheaded, and was desperately trying to calm myself down, when my stepfather uttered - "keep that up and you'll never drive again." The rage inside of me at this moment had passed its tipping point as the side window shattered with the force of my elbow. I was absolutely devastated and sobbed all the way home fearing the repercussions.

When we arrived home, my stepfather lay into me, I went to bed on an empty stomach and my mother gave me the silent treatment for the next week, regardless of the numerous times I apologised.

Emotions:
Anger, frustration, resentment, sorrow, agony, heartbreak and emptiness.

(1) Wrong Path
(2) Missing Out
(3) Should've/Could've
(4) Worth Less

Lenses:
She shouldn't be yelling at me (3)
He shouldn't be telling me what to do (3) because he's a shitty driver (1) and got a bill for a speeding ticket the month prior. (1)
I should have kept my cool at the wheel. (3)
He should have kept his mouth shut. (3)
The window shouldn't have broken. (3)
I shouldn't have reacted the way I did. (3)
They should have understood that I was still learning and that all of my concentration was on the road. (3)
He shouldn't have punished me. (3) (4)
She should have accepted my apology. (2) (3) (4)
She shouldn't have ignored me for a week. (2) (3) (4)
I don't deserve this. (4)
I've really upset mum. (4)
I'm a horrible son. (4)
I can't do anything right. (4)

Core beliefs:
I'm a bad son. (4)
I need my mother's attention and approval (2) to feel valuable. (4)
I have anger problems. (4)
I hate driving. (4)
I hate my stepfather. (2) (4)
I'm a loser. (4)

Upgrade:
My stepfather is on his own journey, he only knew what he knew and his reaction to the event was the only way he could have handled it at the time with the information, beliefs and priorities that he had.
My mother only knew what she knew and with the information, beliefs and priorities that she had, receiving the silent treatment from her was the only path for her to grow and develop from the experience.
My mother married the man she loved, having him as a father figure was a valuable part of my journey to grow and develop - to learn to break a truly vicious cycle and to strive towards love, honour, respect, coherence and understanding. (I had to put up with a lot of physical abuse over the years)
Breaking the window was just another experience - the way I behaved was the only way I knew how.
I don't need anyone's attention or approval to be a valuable human being.
My self-worth was attached to my driving and now it's not.
Anger is what I've learnt to do to protect my self-worth, but if I'm alive I'm worthy and life is going to be full of ups and downs - the way I react to an unfolding situation is what defines my life in this world.


You experience your reality through your senses, your brain then takes this information and asks the question, "what is this?" and is answered via the information and beliefs you already have. The brain then asked another question, "what should I do with this?" or "what does this mean to me?" and is answered via the information and beliefs already there. You then make a decision, which translates into your behaviour and emotion.

You can call it dogma all you like, but it isn't.

We all have problems in our lives, this method alleviates the stress we experience, it helps us get over the ingrained memories that are bringing us down and it's an very effective way of journaling.

If you still think I have a Schizotypal Personality Disorder, so be it, I have no problem with you holding that belief. You only know what you know with the information, beliefs and priorities you have at any given moment in time.

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(November 6, 2011 at 4:52 am)Kayenneh Wrote: I could tell you about the things that I look forward to and find enjoyable, but I highly suspect that you wouldn't be optimistic about them at all. All I want is that I and those I like are happy through life, no matter how pointless it is. Because let's face it, if I am to live, I want the ride rather to be enjoyable than horrible. You seem to be rather hung up on the idea that we're cosmically quite insignificant. Well, I've taken it a step further. I couldn't give a rat's ass that we are.

So you're a nihilist. I really don't think that's a wise move, we may be cosmically insignificant, but sentient life itself definitely isn't. It should be the aim of all of humanity to alleviate the suffering in our own personal lives and in others, there really isn't enough of this love stuff going around.

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(November 6, 2011 at 5:16 am)I_Blaspheme Wrote: It's quite possible that it is just an asshole. In any case I'm going to treat it like I'd treat anyone who behaves in such a manner (coming in here and preaching as fact without the credentials or even a rational argument to back up it's assertions). I'm done with it.

Enjoy your meaningless, empty life. Or don't. Whatever gets you through the day.

It just seems like you guys are having one big circle jerk to me, all I see is a lot of emotion and conformity to conventional knowledge.

Vaginasaur tried to explain us that our way of life is delusional, destruction and suffer-causing, according to his beliefs of Buddhism? Seemingly so, however, Buddhism disregarded the joy of life such as sex, kinky and head lice - is self-destruction. Hmm no wonder Buddhists shaved their heads in first place.

Anyway.
Buddhism may have good ethics:

Quote: 1. To refrain from taking life (non-violence towards sentient life forms), or ahimsā
2. To refrain from taking that which is not given (not committing theft)
3. To refrain from sensual (including sexual) misconduct
4. To refrain from lying (speaking truth always)
5. To refrain from intoxicants which lead to loss of mindfulness (specifically, drugs and alcohol)
6. To refrain from eating at the wrong time (only eat from sunrise to noon)
7. To refrain from dancing and playing music, wearing jewelry and cosmetics, attending shows and other performances
8. To refrain from using high or luxurious seats and bedding
9. To refrain from (using) high and luxurious seats (and beds)
10. To refrain from accepting gold and silver[90]

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism

Sure, sex sometimes can get sensual - but I do love kinky, S&M and fetishes out of sexy women! But who you think you are telling me to refrain from sensual? Erm, refrain from drinking alcohol? Never! But self-control is important. Besides, I don't want to inflame my live too much. I don't understand the purpose of number 9 - Does "high" included the mountains or tallest chair to prove my superiority? Humor aside, I have my sleeping bag instead of bed but Japanese's futon health benefits are interesting.

My way of life isn't delusional since it's all based on my desires. Destruction? Maybe, but I have my methods to reduce the such.

I'ma post a video from SageBodisattva's YouTube channel, feeling a bit burnt out and he's much more articulate than I.

(November 5, 2011 at 9:55 pm)Faith No More Wrote: If you find life so pointless and empty, why not kill yourself?

My thoughts exactly. He either 1. Doesn't have the balls to go through with it, or 2. He doesn't really find life THAT pointless.

For $24k+, if you were actually interested, you could've had an actual education (complete with credible degree)...and you opted for "seminars"? You made someone extremely happy.