Was Eve correct in rejecting God?

This clip is a near perfect analogy to what Eden would have been like with mankind not having the knowledge of good and evil.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=the+...ORM=LKVR38#

Eve eating from the tree of knowledge would be like her mentality going from what you see those young adults thinking, to that of the thinking of the time traveler. From pure innocence bliss to that of having a moral sense and the lose of innocent bliss.

In the myth of Eden, Eve was first to eat of the tree of knowledge. She, as God states, became as Gods, knowing good and evil. She then applied this new knowledge and wisdom and chose to reject God as mankind’s best example and master. She chose instead to draw Adam to her new reality. That of having the moral sense of God along with human nature. Analogous to Jesus later.

Eve, like some today, would have seen God as less fit to rule mankind than mankind equipped with the knowledge of good and evil. This can be shown by some of the epithets that are given to God.

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

What would you choose?
Would you accept God, or would you reject him?
Is mankind better led by a human God or by an invisible God who would deny mankind a moral sense?
Would you step up to the highest form of humanity, or stay in a blissfully ignorant in Eden?
Is God nature + human nature better than God nature alone? Jesus thought so.

Regards
DL

Yale University series.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XnnKA4o2Ao

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxyLZyBjyvY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0kdxgJB9is

I always bite into the apple.

Ouch!

(November 6, 2011 at 12:28 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: I always bite into the apple.

But what about plums?

"Do I dare to eat a peach?"

There is no moral choice here.
Personally, if I knew god, face to face, I would never think of flaunting his law, as nothing would escape his eye.
And why should I? It does not make any sense either.

'Personally, if I knew god, face to face, I would never think of flaunting his law, as nothing would escape his eye.'

Then you are just another slave. How pathetic.

And you're also presuming that God can see everything and that one of the man made religions are right about his laws.

I would have done exactly as Eve.

If the biblical god was real, I would be the first in line for a chance to stick it to the bastard. He's the most illogical, petty, narcissistic, misogynistic, and downright evil figure in history. Satan and Eve are the heroes of the world if biblical creation is true.

(November 6, 2011 at 12:19 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Was Eve correct in rejecting God?

This clip is a near perfect analogy to what Eden would have been like with mankind not having the knowledge of good and evil.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=the+...ORM=LKVR38#

Eve eating from the tree of knowledge would be like her mentality going from what you see those young adults thinking, to that of the thinking of the time traveler. From pure innocence bliss to that of having a moral sense and the lose of innocent bliss.

In the myth of Eden, Eve was first to eat of the tree of knowledge. She, as God states, became as Gods, knowing good and evil. She then applied this new knowledge and wisdom and chose to reject God as mankind’s best example and master. She chose instead to draw Adam to her new reality. That of having the moral sense of God along with human nature. Analogous to Jesus later.

Eve, like some today, would have seen God as less fit to rule mankind than mankind equipped with the knowledge of good and evil. This can be shown by some of the epithets that are given to God.

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

What would you choose?
Would you accept God, or would you reject him?
Is mankind better led by a human God or by an invisible God who would deny mankind a moral sense?
Would you step up to the highest form of humanity, or stay in a blissfully ignorant in Eden?
Is God nature + human nature better than God nature alone? Jesus thought so.

Regards
DL

Yale University series.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XnnKA4o2Ao

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxyLZyBjyvY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0kdxgJB9is

Really the only thing to say about your post is this, you have your facts wrong so the argument starts off invalid. Also the little girl in the vids has no idea either caught her in lies.

Eve challenging God was the Garden of Eden Metaphor.

Original Sin - Garden of Eden Metaphor

Biblical Genesis is the story of mankind’s ascent not fall. It begins with the Garden of Eden metaphor. It originated in the remembered stories of Hunter-gathering. In the garden (hunter-gatherers) man and woman could just pluck fruit from the trees. There was no need for work. It was truly a paradise in the memories passed down. A Stone Age farmer was tilling the soil in Iraq under the hot sun. He was sweating. There were painful blisters on his hands from the plough handles. It must have seemed that we lost something. There were the stories passed down for ages about the Hunter-Gatherer days. In retrospect those memories of hunter gathering must have seemed like paradise. No need to till the soil, just live off of the land's abundance.

It seemed to be a magic garden. Why did we lose that? We are now tilling the hot dusty soil to survive. We must have committed a sin offending the gods. The gods were angered enough up to kick us out of that ancient garden. We forgot the harsh realities of hunter gathering life such as savage predators, starvation, and limited populations. The "Good Old Days" are always better in the memory than in reality. Golden ages are never quite so golden when inspected closely.

Man and woman must have been kicked out of that magic garden for some offence to the gods or God. What would offend the gods the most? Would it be attempting to be as smart as the gods or to become gods by inquiring? The fruit of the Tree of Knowledge is the challenge to God severe enough for mythical ancestors to be kicked out of the magic garden. Man and woman then had to fend for themselves. Or so it seemed that way. This was the Original Sin. Today in Fundamentalistic Cults inquiry, dissent, and scepticism still constitute the worst sin.

The Cain and Abel story is the second fall of man. It incorporates the memories of the second stage of human culture, pastoralism and the third stage, settled agriculture. Abel represents the relative golden age of pastoralism. Cain is the farmer.

Pastoralism was also remembered by the Jews and Amorites as a happy go lucky lifestyle. Just follow the herds and guard them from wolves. But no serious work apart from moving with the herds to pastures. It wasn't as good as the ancient Garden of Eden but it wasn't bad. It was wonderful compared to the dreadful drudgery of farming under the hot Sun.

The Mesopotamian-Amorite farmer thought about his terribly hard life of pushing a wooden plough (behind oxen if he was lucky.) An ancestor obviously screwing up sometime ago lost the garden for us. Cain the tiller of soil murdered Abel the shepherd, destroying the golden pastoral life. God's punishment is for man to live by the sweat of his brow, ploughing the hard rocky ground of Iraq.

So, I view Original Sin as the metaphor for the tribal memories of the transition from hunter-gatherers to pastoralists. And then further decline from pastoralists to dirt farmers. It was actually cultural advancement, supporting larger populations and permitting civilisation to evolve. But to the poor bloke behind the plough it must have seemed like man had lost two golden ages by sin (Original Sin and the murder of Abel by Cain.)

I think that by the time it was all written down in the books of Genesis, the writers must have actually believed it. Naturally later believers tended to believe it also and elaborate the theological components. Eden is the metaphor for hunter gathering, and original sin is the myth for why we lost it. It is very interesting because it tells us much about the ancient people who devised the stories some 6-8 thousand years ago.

Original Sin was not the Fall of Mankind. Original Inquiry was the Rise of Civilised Mankind.