(June 5, 2021 at 9:00 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(June 5, 2021 at 8:53 pm)Jackalope Wrote: You have to be about the dumbest motherfucker on this site, and that's saying something.

No, I think that'd be drich. Biker isn't dumb. He's just a jackass whose rhetorical strategy boils down to alternately trying to own the libs by any means necessary (no matter how bad-faith) and throwing a conniption fit at the prospect of any gun control legislation.

When you come up with legislation that doesn' t target the group of gun owners that are not the problem - the law abiding - let me know.


EVERYTHING up till now is paperwork that does absolutely nothing. Sheer stupidity.


I have seen THOUSANDS of 4473s filled out - and never once saw someone check off a box that excluded them from.buying a firearm...

"Are you a fugative from justice"??

Well gee - yes I am Mr Gun Shop Employee... 


What kind of retard puts that on a form and expects a fugitive to admit it?


It' s what you get when stupid, reactionary twats are running things.....

At work.

Aaaaaaand that's the kind of emotional post ^ I've sort of come to expect from Onlinebiker.

Ah well.

Quote:When yiu come up with legislation that doesn' t target the group of gun owners that are not the problem - the law abiding - let me know.

Like I said he believes in the white hats and the black hats 

Quote:EVERYTHING up till now is paperwork that does absolutely nothing. Sheer stupidity.

Simplistic and false

Quote:I have seen THOUSANDS of 4473s filled out - and never once saw someone check off a bix that excluded them from.buying a firearm...

Anecdotes are not evidence 

Quote:"Are you a fugative from justice"??

Nothing wrong with this question

Quote:Well gee - yes I am Mr Gun Shop Employee... 

Is he claiming gun shops wouldn't hire criminals?

Quote:What kind of retard puts that on a form and expects a fugitive to admit it?

I don't what kind of moron spews the rubbish you do? Oh wait you.

Quote:It' s what you get when stupid, reactionary twats are running things.....

As opposed to the we would get with delusional gun crazies like you running things

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(June 5, 2021 at 10:33 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.

 Aaaaaaand that's the kind of emotional post ^ I've sort of come to expect from Onlinebiker.

Ah well.

Yup, no reason or logic just rage and brainless kneejerk indignation.

(June 5, 2021 at 9:00 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(June 5, 2021 at 8:53 pm)Jackalope Wrote: You have to be about the dumbest motherfucker on this site, and that's saying something.

No, I think that'd be drich. Biker isn't dumb. He's just a jackass whose rhetorical strategy boils down to alternately trying to own the libs by any means necessary (no matter how bad-faith) and throwing a conniption fit at the prospect of any gun control legislation.

Drich is not a current member of this forum on account of being temp banned so I'm gonna stand by my statement: OLB is about the biggest dumbfuck around.

(June 5, 2021 at 10:33 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.

 Aaaaaaand that's the kind of emotional post ^ I've sort of come to expect from Onlinebiker.

Ah well.

Emotional??


Maybe a bit disgusted with the anti-gun folks stupid shit.

.....

It's like this guys --- every law you have passed has done squat to curtail gun violence.
....

Ever lost your wallet? Let's look at it from a simple perspective you might be able to comprehend. We'll equate the gun violence problem with a lost wallet. We need to find the answer. OK???

The laws you have passed - making people pass background checks, waiting periods, ect --- are all just like you reaching into your back pocket every 2 minutes, looking for your wallet. It's an empty gesture - but it makes you feel like you're trying. Sorry - it's not there. But you didn't really expect to find it there, did you? But - you still couldn't stop yourself from sticking your hand in your pocket.


What is the point of making a guy who has bought one gun - two guns, or a thousand guns already - from having to fill out a 4473 and getting a NICS check??? It doesn't even keep track of guns sold. You probably didn't know that- did you? All those forms? They are kept at the gun shop -NOT sent to the government. After 10 years - they get to dispose of them. That's right -- the gun shop tosses them. Many shops actually burn the forms. I know. I've seen it done. If you ever seen the basement of the gun shop I worked at - the boxes upon boxes of forms stored there would boggle the mind.

Do you have ANY comprehension what running the NICS system costs?? And for WHAT??? The number of people who knowingly try to beat the system is MINUSCULE.. Don't believe me? Look it up.  BATF has the data available to anyone who really wants to know.  The reason??? Criminals and crazies aren't always stupid. If they KNOW they can't legally buy a gun - they'll go find some other way of buying a gun. Like a private sale.

Here in Michigan - if you sell a handgun -- the buyer has to have either a concealed carry permit - or a "Permit to Purchase" that they get from local law enforcement - after that agency runs a background check on them.  But if you are selling a shotgun or rifle -- no permits are needed. Money and gun simply change hands.

I cannot as a private citizen run a NICS check on a potential gun buyer - as it (as stated to me by BATF) "It is a matter of protecting the buyers privacy". (I know this because I tried years ago when I was selling off part of my collection at a gun show.  I ended up being tricky. I put a form 4473 on top of a stack of papers - and told each buyer "we can do the paperwork now" -- when making a sale.... If they objected - I refused the sale).

The whole system of "gun control" you have -and want - is an empty pocket.

You need to control the problem people.

But - that actually takes effort.

They are not cooperative like the law abiding folks - who are not the problem.

(June 6, 2021 at 10:58 am)onlinebiker Wrote:

(June 5, 2021 at 10:33 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.

 Aaaaaaand that's the kind of emotional post ^ I've sort of come to expect from Onlinebiker.

Ah well.

Emotional??


Maybe a bit disgusted with the anti-gun folks stupid shit.

.....

It's like this guys --- every law you have passed has done squat to curtail gun violence.
....

Ever lost your wallet? Let's look at it from a simple perspective you might be able to comprehend. We'll equate the gun violence problem with a lost wallet. We need to find the answer. OK???

The laws you have passed - making people pass background checks, waiting periods, ect --- are all just like you reaching into your back pocket every 2 minutes, looking for your wallet. It's an empty gesture - but it makes you feel like you're trying. Sorry - it's not there. But you didn't really expect to find it there, did you? But - you still couldn't stop yourself from sticking your hand in your pocket.


What is the point of making a guy who has bought one gun - two guns, or a thousand guns already - from having to fill out a 4473 and getting a NICS check??? It doesn't even keep track of guns sold. You probably didn't know that- did you? All those forms? They are kept at the gun shop -NOT sent to the government. After 10 years - they get to dispose of them. That's right -- the gun shop tosses them. Many shops actually burn the forms. I know. I've seen it done. If you ever seen the basement of the gun shop I worked at - the boxes upon boxes of forms stored there would boggle the mind.

Do you have ANY comprehension what running the NICS system costs?? And for WHAT??? The number of people who knowingly try to beat the system is MINUSCULE.. Don't believe me? Look it up.  BATF has the data available to anyone who really wants to know.  The reason??? Criminals and crazies aren't always stupid. If they KNOW they can't legally buy a gun - they'll go find some other way of buying a gun. Like a private sale.

Here in Michigan - if you sell a handgun -- the buyer has to have either a concealed carry permit - or a "Permit to Purchase" that they get from local law enforcement - after that agency runs a background check on them.  But if you are selling a shotgun or rifle -- no permits are needed. Money and gun simply change hands.

I cannot as a private citizen run a NICS check on a potential gun buyer - as it (as stated to me by BATF) "It is a matter of protecting the buyers privacy". (I know this because I tried years ago when I was selling off part of my collection at a gun show.  I ended up being tricky. I put a form 4473 on top of a stack of papers - and told each buyer "we can do the paperwork now" -- when making a sale.... If they objected - I refused the sale).

The whole system of "gun control" you have -and want - is an empty pocket.

You need to control the problem people.

But - that actually takes effort.

They are not cooperative like the law abiding folks - who are not the problem.

I am sick of the bullshit slur "anti- gun". PLEASE FUCKING STOP.

The sane who REALLY do want to reduce firearm violence, ARE NOT anti-gun. WE ARE however, pro safety, and don't think a flooded market and the ability to buy a firearm like candy is working.

But, I still never get a good answer as to how many firearms flooding every zip code would be good enough. There are an estimated 3 firearms per the 320 million people living in America. How many firearms do Americans need? 1 billion, 10 billion, 50 billion firearms?

(June 6, 2021 at 11:15 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(June 6, 2021 at 10:58 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Emotional??


Maybe a bit disgusted with the anti-gun folks stupid shit.

.....

It's like this guys --- every law you have passed has done squat to curtail gun violence.
....

Ever lost your wallet? Let's look at it from a simple perspective you might be able to comprehend. We'll equate the gun violence problem with a lost wallet. We need to find the answer. OK???

The laws you have passed - making people pass background checks, waiting periods, ect --- are all just like you reaching into your back pocket every 2 minutes, looking for your wallet. It's an empty gesture - but it makes you feel like you're trying. Sorry - it's not there. But you didn't really expect to find it there, did you? But - you still couldn't stop yourself from sticking your hand in your pocket.


What is the point of making a guy who has bought one gun - two guns, or a thousand guns already - from having to fill out a 4473 and getting a NICS check??? It doesn't even keep track of guns sold. You probably didn't know that- did you? All those forms? They are kept at the gun shop -NOT sent to the government. After 10 years - they get to dispose of them. That's right -- the gun shop tosses them. Many shops actually burn the forms. I know. I've seen it done. If you ever seen the basement of the gun shop I worked at - the boxes upon boxes of forms stored there would boggle the mind.

Do you have ANY comprehension what running the NICS system costs?? And for WHAT??? The number of people who knowingly try to beat the system is MINUSCULE.. Don't believe me? Look it up.  BATF has the data available to anyone who really wants to know.  The reason??? Criminals and crazies aren't always stupid. If they KNOW they can't legally buy a gun - they'll go find some other way of buying a gun. Like a private sale.

Here in Michigan - if you sell a handgun -- the buyer has to have either a concealed carry permit - or a "Permit to Purchase" that they get from local law enforcement - after that agency runs a background check on them.  But if you are selling a shotgun or rifle -- no permits are needed. Money and gun simply change hands.

I cannot as a private citizen run a NICS check on a potential gun buyer - as it (as stated to me by BATF) "It is a matter of protecting the buyers privacy". (I know this because I tried years ago when I was selling off part of my collection at a gun show.  I ended up being tricky. I put a form 4473 on top of a stack of papers - and told each buyer "we can do the paperwork now" -- when making a sale.... If they objected - I refused the sale).

The whole system of "gun control" you have -and want - is an empty pocket.

You need to control the problem people.

But - that actually takes effort.

They are not cooperative like the law abiding folks - who are not the problem.

I am sick of the bullshit slur "anti- gun". PLEASE FUCKING STOP.

The sane who REALLY do want to reduce firearm violence, ARE NOT anti-gun. WE ARE however, pro safety, and don't think a flooded market and the ability to buy a firearm like candy is working.

But, I still never get a good answer as to how many firearms flooding every zip code would be good enough. There are an estimated 3 firearms per the 320 million people living in America. How many firearms do Americans need? 1 billion, 10 billion, 50 billion firearms?

Why do I get the feeling you didn’t read past ‘anti-gun folks’ in OLB’s post?

Boru

He' s not only anti-gun - he is also anti-anti-gun descriptions.....

At least he's consistent...

(June 5, 2021 at 11:12 pm)Jackalope Wrote:

(June 5, 2021 at 9:00 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: No, I think that'd be drich. Biker isn't dumb. He's just a jackass whose rhetorical strategy boils down to alternately trying to own the libs by any means necessary (no matter how bad-faith) and throwing a conniption fit at the prospect of any gun control legislation.

Drich is not a current member of this forum on account of being temp banned so I'm gonna stand by my statement: OLB is about the biggest dumbfuck around.

But only temporarily, as you said. In less than a week, he’ll be back to showcase how committed he is to Sparkle Motion and removing the crown from Biker’s head. Unless that temp-ban becomes a perma-band.

Quote:He' s not only anti-gun - he is also anti-anti-gun descriptions.....

At least he's consistent...

You are a dumb fuck