RE: Life is awesome - argumentum ad populum
November 10, 2011 at 5:44 am
(This post was last modified: November 10, 2011 at 5:48 am by Erinome.)
(November 8, 2011 at 3:28 pm)Vaginasaur Wrote: Thanks for finally initiating the debate, appreciate it.
Quote:Hi,
I think pessimism is the rational perceptive to have.
I'm objectively pessimistic and subjectively optimistic. We have three psychological phenomena that make self-assessments of our life's quality unreliable, the first being the pollyanna principle which is the most general and most influential of the psychological phenomena which gives us a tendency towards optimism. The second being what could be called adaptation, accommodation or habituation which gives us a tendency to adjust to significant dissatisfaction and adapt to the new situation with new expectations accordingly. The third being the implicit comparison with the well-being of others which only gives a comparative rather than an actual indicator of the quality of one's life. From an evolutionary perspective these psychological phenomena favour reproduction and militate against suicide. Thus, if we knew the true quality of our life, people would be more prone to killing themselves, or at at least not pass on their DNA to the next generation. Pessimism, then, tends not to be naturally selected.
You have got to stop pretending to be a psychology expert. Those things you mentioned are not phenomena, they're personality traits. Some people view the world as you do, some view it optimistically, some view it from a mud hut with nothing but survival on their minds, and some view it with chaotic irrationality. There are limitless ways of thinking, feeling, learning, and being. You're reading too many fruity fucking pseudo-psychology blogs. Anyway, it's painfully obvious that you have a narrow understanding of psychology, and humanity in general.
Quote:Well, in nature we have all these organisms eating each other, and if it wasn't for an asteroid impacting Earth, this place could still have been dominated by dinosaurs, there would be no grace or beauty, it would still be an ugly bug planet.
I happen to think that bugs and dinosaurs are fabulously gorgeous. There would still be organisms eating each other because that's life. Get used to it. It's not going to change.
He got the point, ladies and gentleman. Quote:You experience your reality through your senses (human physical senses of a normal functioning human being include: sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch, balance and acceleration, temperature, kinetic sense, and pain) your brain then takes this information and asks the question, "what is this?" and is answered via the information and beliefs you already have. The brain then asked another question, "what should I do with this?" or "what does this mean to me?" and is answered via the information and beliefs already there. You then make a decision, which translates into your behaviour and emotion.
That's pretty much the basics of conscious experience.
So, what's your point? Life isn't worth living because we can attribute our consciousness to taking in and processing information about the world around us, and reacting accordingly? Fucking, so what.
Quote:Yes, I realise it's very altruistic too, sorry for not mentioning so. This is the reason why I'm a vegan in my personal life, I can't bear the thought of killing another animal for the consumption of its meat, the only time I would do this is if I can across an animal that was in severe pain and had no hope of surviving, which I would put out of its misery like any decent human being would.
Spare all the pigs, and cows because you feel bad for them, but end the human species? I find many flaws in that. Do these animals not procreate? They do. They're breeding like mad, all to have their children suffer the fate of death to become bacon for bacon enthusiasts like me. How wretched are they to be so selfish? It's the nature and order of things to breed. You're not some resplendent hero because you don't enjoy your spot on the top of the food chain. You are, however, silly.
Quote:Humans are self-conscious beings. Most people don't think about their reproductive choices, they don't ask the question as to why our species should procreate. Children are brought into this world either via accidental fertilisation, or to pass on the genes of the previous generation or some other selfish intent such as utilisation, it is never for the sake of that child.
Chimps are self conscious beings, and neither do they think about their reproductive choices. Maybe you should poach some Chimps and eat them out of spite. You are not in the minds of all people on this planet. You are not aware of nature in any sense. You are trapped inside you're own shriveling mind, never questioning your own thoughts, or how ridiculous they might sound to other people before you say them. You have a lot to learn. I suspect there's a long, hard road ahead for you.
Quote:So, I'm assuming that you believe in a utopian society of some sort?
Well, I am a socialist, but I do not believe in a utopian society. How on earth did you arrive at that question? I simply stated that you can't go around pretending to know how each person in this world values technology.
Quote:Well, having a negative value judgement on life, I believe that this species is at a dead end and the continuation of the perpetuation of our species is utterly meaningless and creates more suffering for sentient beings, and that bestowing sentience on another organism is an unethical imposition.
You're on a "DNA ride" just like the rest of us with opposing views on the world. Sounds like yours is just more boring, and you're track is a bit wonky. Your own life is meaningless. Do you make no unethical impositions? Is coming here and telling a mother of four healthy children who love to live that she is a selfish bitch for bringing her children into the world, just because you fucking think so NOT an unethical imposition? Think.
Quote:It's not illogical at all, we know through our subjective experience what the pleasure pain principle is, and what the consequences of sentience are.
Yes, and most people who are born want to live. They want the consequences. Those who don't do something about it.
aleialoura Wrote:You have a right to your opinion, but no right to impose it as a supreme ideal upon others.
Quote:Well, since I consider this argument logically sound, you have no right to procreate.
You need help. Real help. Not silly frou-frou retreat help. Perhaps you have an iron or protein deficiency. My right to procreate will never be revoked for this insane philosophy of yours. I'm gonna keep procreating. You can tell us your opinion, but like I said, you have no right to impose your opinion upon me, or society. Dream on.
Quote:I don't think that's likely, this is the most important question in terms of our existence. You're using argumentum ad hominem by the way.
You're a person who lacks wisdom, because you don't even want to grow.
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