(August 15, 2021 at 5:08 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(August 15, 2021 at 3:18 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: Vegan diet boosts your immune system and provides some protection against type-2-diabetes, heart disease and some types of cancer. Whether you have type-2-diabetes is the best predictor of whether you will die from COVID-19.

Nope. Vegan diet does nothing of the sort. Whoever is feeding this crap to you needs a good slapping.

A vegan (or, for that sake, a vegetarian or a semi-vegetarian diet) almost by definition protects against colon cancer caused by heme iron mixed with omega-6 acids, since heme iron is found only in red meat. A vegan, vegetarian, or a semi-vegetarian diet, therefore, does not include heme iron. A vegan diet is also less likely to be high in saturated fat leading to type-2-diabetes and heart disease.

(August 15, 2021 at 1:30 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote:

(August 15, 2021 at 1:16 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (Bold mine)

You don’t.

Boru

So, since you understand it better, can you explain it?

There’s nothing to explain - you’re simply wrong. A vegan diet does not protect against COVID or make you more susceptible to bird flu.

Boru

(August 16, 2021 at 5:00 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 15, 2021 at 1:30 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: So, since you understand it better, can you explain it?

There’s nothing to explain - you’re simply wrong. A vegan diet does not protect against COVID or make you more susceptible to bird flu.

Boru

But how could a diet that boosts your immune system not do that?

(August 16, 2021 at 5:02 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:

(August 16, 2021 at 5:00 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: There’s nothing to explain - you’re simply wrong. A vegan diet does not protect against COVID or make you more susceptible to bird flu.

Boru

But how could a diet that boosts your immune system not do that?

Because even a well-functioning immune system cannot protect you from a novel virus. That’s not how immune systems work.

Boru

(August 16, 2021 at 5:05 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 16, 2021 at 5:02 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: But how could a diet that boosts your immune system not do that?

Because even a well-functioning immune system cannot protect you from a novel virus. That’s not how immune systems work.

Boru

Then how come people with stronger immune system have a much lower chance of dying from COVID-19?

(August 16, 2021 at 5:05 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 16, 2021 at 5:02 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: But how could a diet that boosts your immune system not do that?

Because even a well-functioning immune system cannot protect you from a novel virus. That’s not how immune systems work.

Boru

He has not even established his claim. Even if some shit reduces risk of colon caner, that has nothing to to with immune system (and its response). Even if some shit reduces risk of some diabetes, that has absofuckinglutely nothing to do with immune response. Even if its true that vegan diet reduces risk of COVID being mortal (which is a complete asinine claim), its a gross overstatement to claim "vegan diet protects against COVID".

IF vegan diets would protect against COVID, wouldnt you think that some entities (other thna a few woo peddlers) would promote it?
Oh wait.....conspiracy.

(August 16, 2021 at 5:21 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:

(August 16, 2021 at 5:05 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Because even a well-functioning immune system cannot protect you from a novel virus. That’s not how immune systems work.

Boru

Then how come people with stronger immune system have a much lower chance of dying from COVID-19?

Hello! Sorry for sticking my oar in.

I feel you're kind of mixing two things.

There's the 'Group' numbers. As in 'Group A is demonstratably healthier than group B. Here are how many people dropped off the twig in either group'.

Then there's 'Here are two individuals and lets see how they fare'.

In the two group thing you probably will get the 'healthier' group having more people surviving through to the recovering side compared to the other group.

Between the two individuals? That's up too lots of different, random things.

Potentiall in both examples people will DIE.

It's the dying part that's the bad thing.

It's complicated and basically we should be doing everything we can to not have people snuff it.  

Cheers.

Not at work.  

(August 16, 2021 at 5:02 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:

(August 16, 2021 at 5:00 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: There’s nothing to explain - you’re simply wrong. A vegan diet does not protect against COVID or make you more susceptible to bird flu.

Boru

But how could a diet that boosts your immune system not do that?

To a large extent, susceptibility to an infectious agent is dose-dependent.  If you have just a glancing encounter with the virus you'll generally do better than someone who's in a situation that exposes them to a high viral load.  The immune system still has to recognize the virus and produce antibodies, which is why vaccination is better than relying on diet.

(August 16, 2021 at 5:40 am)Deesse23 Wrote:

(August 16, 2021 at 5:05 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Because even a well-functioning immune system cannot protect you from a novel virus. That’s not how immune systems work.

Boru

He has not even established his claim. Even if some shit reduces risk of colon caner, that has nothing to to with immune system (and its response). Even if some shit reduces risk of some diabetes, that has absofuckinglutely nothing to do with immune response. Even if its true that vegan diet reduces risk of COVID being mortal (which is a complete asinine claim), its a gross overstatement to claim "vegan diet protects against COVID".

IF vegan diets would protect against COVID, wouldnt you think that some entities (other thna a few woo peddlers) would promote it?
Oh wait.....conspiracy.

Cancer does inhibit your immune system significantly, because immune system of cancer patients is too busy with cancer to fight against an infection (the same way an immune system is often too busy fighting COVID or flu and thus cannot fight bacterial pneumonia). Cancer is a significant commorbodity for COVID-19, in fact, most people under 20 who died from COVID-19 had cancer.

There is a difference between conspiracy and propaganda. Big Pharma telling people to take statins instead of emphasizing that high cholesterol is caused by saturated fat and sugar is not a conspiracy, it is propaganda.

(August 16, 2021 at 1:21 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote:

(August 16, 2021 at 5:40 am)Deesse23 Wrote: He has not even established his claim. Even if some shit reduces risk of colon caner, that has nothing to to with immune system (and its response). Even if some shit reduces risk of some diabetes, that has absofuckinglutely nothing to do with immune response. Even if its true that vegan diet reduces risk of COVID being mortal (which is a complete asinine claim), its a gross overstatement to claim "vegan diet protects against COVID".

IF vegan diets would protect against COVID, wouldnt you think that some entities (other thna a few woo peddlers) would promote it?
Oh wait.....conspiracy.

Cancer does inhibit your immune system significantly, because immune system of cancer patients is too busy with cancer to fight against an infection (the same way an immune system is often too busy fighting COVID or flu and thus cannot fight bacterial pneumonia). Cancer is a significant commorbodity for COVID-19, in fact, most people under 20 who died from COVID-19 had cancer.

There is a difference between conspiracy and propaganda. Big Pharma telling people to take statins instead of emphasizing that high cholesterol is caused by saturated fat and sugar is not a conspiracy, it is propaganda.

Bullshit.

As a cancer survivor, I can tell you that I was able to fight off other things during the time from diagnosis to being declared cancer free.

Chemo can definitely hamper your immune system but not all cancer patients go the chemo route...me being one of those.

You know fuck all about diseases and immunity.