(August 23, 2021 at 6:36 pm)Ravenshire Wrote:

(August 23, 2021 at 5:34 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Since Jesus' death, people are more compassionate and understanding (in general).

Citation fucking needed! By what measure are people more compassionate now than they were 2,000 years ago?!?

(August 23, 2021 at 5:34 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Only free will explains why not everyone is more compassionate and understanding.

Free will seems to be a magic "get out of jail free" card for you. If you can't explain something, then magically free will does. Please do expand on this and explain exactly how only free will can account for why some are more compassionate then others.

Well in this case, free will would explain why some people will not be getting out of jail, at least not anytime soon --- they haven't accepted Jesus' sacrifice, so there's a deficit of love for their fellow human beings, in their hearts.

(August 23, 2021 at 6:37 pm)Ahriman Wrote:

(August 23, 2021 at 6:34 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Trust me - you’re not significant enough to get on my nerves.

What I’d like to know are the answers to the questions I’ve already asked you.

Boru

I've already explained how Jesus' sacrifice brought about a greater good. As for what texts I've read that sound like they could've been written by Jesus, I'm not telling you.

That’s not quite what I asked you. I want to know why the discord was necessary for the greater good when that could have been accomplished without the discord.

I’ll rephrase, since you seem to have trouble grasping what I mean:

You claimed that God sometimes creates discord as a means of accomplishing a greater good. I pointed out a means whereby Jesus could have avoided the discord and achieved the same result. So - what use was the discord?

Boru

(August 23, 2021 at 6:41 pm)brewer Wrote:

(August 23, 2021 at 6:27 pm)Ahriman Wrote: I'm not trolling. I just don't care if you call it an assertion, or a factual statement, or whatever. Makes no difference to me.

It makes a difference. Fact (factual) would be agreed on by everyone, religious, atheist or whateverist. I doubt even within your religion everyone would agree with your original 'factual' statement.

There isn't a single thing everyone in the world agrees on.

(August 23, 2021 at 6:46 pm)Ahriman Wrote:

(August 23, 2021 at 6:41 pm)brewer Wrote: It makes a difference. Fact (factual) would be agreed on by everyone, religious, atheist or whateverist. I doubt even within your religion everyone would agree with your original 'factual' statement.

There isn't a single thing everyone in the world agrees on.

‘Trees are made of wood.’

‘When water gets cold enough, it becomes ice.’

‘Polar bears are larger than frogs.’

Apart from the insane, who disagrees with any of these?

Boru

(August 23, 2021 at 6:45 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 23, 2021 at 6:37 pm)Ahriman Wrote: I've already explained how Jesus' sacrifice brought about a greater good. As for what texts I've read that sound like they could've been written by Jesus, I'm not telling you.

That’s not quite what I asked you. I want to know why the discord was necessary for the greater good when that could have been accomplished without the discord.

I’ll rephrase, since you seem to have trouble grasping what I mean:

You claimed that God sometimes creates discord as a means of accomplishing a greater good. I pointed out a means whereby Jesus could have avoided the discord and achieved the same result. So - what use was the discord?

Boru

Your guess is as good as mine. But I know God never does anything, unless it serves the greater good.

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(August 23, 2021 at 6:48 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 23, 2021 at 6:46 pm)Ahriman Wrote: There isn't a single thing everyone in the world agrees on.

‘Trees are made of wood.’

‘When water gets cold enough, it becomes ice.’

‘Polar bears are larger than frogs.’

Apart from the insane, who disagrees with any of these?

Boru

Crazy people are people too. Just saying.

(August 23, 2021 at 6:44 pm)Ahriman Wrote:

(August 23, 2021 at 6:36 pm)Ravenshire Wrote: Citation fucking needed! By what measure are people more compassionate now than they were 2,000 years ago?!?


Free will seems to be a magic "get out of jail free" card for you. If you can't explain something, then magically free will does. Please do expand on this and explain exactly how only free will can account for why some are more compassionate then others.

Well in this case, free will would explain why some people will not be getting out of jail, at least not anytime soon --- they haven't accepted Jesus' sacrifice, so there's a deficit of love for their fellow human beings, in their hearts.

I didn't bold that line.

You cal that an explanation?!? That's some weak ass shit right there.

(August 23, 2021 at 6:46 pm)Ahriman Wrote:

(August 23, 2021 at 6:41 pm)brewer Wrote: It makes a difference. Fact (factual) would be agreed on by everyone, religious, atheist or whateverist. I doubt even within your religion everyone would agree with your original 'factual' statement.

There isn't a single thing everyone in the world agrees on.

Gravity, oxygen, light, rocks, physics, trees, fish, ......................

Religion(s)  beliefs have little to do with facts.

Were you dropped on your head?

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(August 23, 2021 at 6:49 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Crazy people are people too. Just saying.

If you know what you're saying would be considered crazy, then you're not crazy, you're a troll.

(August 23, 2021 at 6:51 pm)Ravenshire Wrote:

(August 23, 2021 at 6:44 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Well in this case, free will would explain why some people will not be getting out of jail, at least not anytime soon --- they haven't accepted Jesus' sacrifice, so there's a deficit of love for their fellow human beings, in their hearts.

I didn't bold that line.

You cal that an explanation?!? That's some weak ass shit right there.

I don't see you offering a better one.

In the primitive monarch system, the people were expected to perceive their king (aka, overlord tyrant) as good even though the opposite was true. The god concept was mirrored after such a corrupt system.

(August 23, 2021 at 10:09 pm)Foxaire Wrote: In the primitive monarch system, the people were expected to perceive their king (aka, overlord tyrant) as good even though the opposite was true. The god concept was mirrored after such a corrupt system.

Seeing God as good or evil is superfluous. Everything God does, is for the greater good. That's what's important.