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RE: Marxism, what you got?
August 27, 2021 at 1:19 pm
IDK who the we is supposed to be, but the US has a mixed economy.
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RE: Marxism, what you got?
August 27, 2021 at 1:25 pm
(August 27, 2021 at 12:17 pm)Helios Wrote: Quote:I don’t disagree. Marxism is better at being descriptive that it is at being predicative.
Marx was reasonably good at both. He certainly did better than most economic theorists.
Really? You see signs of the State withering away?
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August 27, 2021 at 1:26 pm
(August 27, 2021 at 1:19 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: IDK who the we is supposed to be, but the US has a mixed economy.
Every nation has a mixed economy.
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August 27, 2021 at 1:31 pm
Right, I think it'd be harder to find a country that hasn't tried socialism, at this point.
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August 27, 2021 at 1:37 pm
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Quote:Really? You see signs of the State withering away?
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Yes in several ways
Quote:Right, I think it'd be harder to find a country that hasn't tried socialism, at this point.
A country actually attempted Socolism? When?
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RE: Marxism, what you got?
August 27, 2021 at 2:10 pm
(August 27, 2021 at 1:37 pm)Helios Wrote: Quote:Really? You see signs of the State withering away?
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Yes in several ways
Quote:Right, I think it'd be harder to find a country that hasn't tried socialism, at this point.
A country actually attempted Socolism? When?
There are no purely socialistic countries, just as there are no purely capitalistic ones. Economies have elements of each. If you have price supports, some sort of state pension scheme, publicly funded anything, you’re trying socialism. Not pure socialism, naturally - call it ‘social democracy’ if it makes you feel better.
What signs do you see of the State withering away?
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August 27, 2021 at 2:43 pm
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Quote:There are no purely socialistic countries, just as there are no purely capitalistic ones. Economies have elements of each. If you have price supports, some sort of state pension scheme, publicly funded anything, you’re trying socialism. Not pure socialism, naturally - call it ‘social democracy’ if it makes you feel better.
Not really implementing some Socialist policies (which by the way aren't really socialist as price supports are a feature of many systems as are forms of state pensions)
Quote:What signs do you see of the State withering away?
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First off depends on what the state was talking about. In American for example, I see.
A rise in political sectarianism that the state seems ill-prepared to deal with and I imagine will only rise over time
An Economy that's failed substantial swathes of the population with little end in sight
Growing distrust in the institutions of the state and its leadership
A growing lack of confidence in its ability to handle crises ( climate change etc)
A growing apathy for Democracy
The corruption of the free press
The Slow Decay of the perceived legitimacy
To name a few
Without a coherent populous who believe in the state and confidence in, its legitimacy and its key institutions it will wither.
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August 27, 2021 at 2:47 pm
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Helios.......you are overreacting.
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RE: Marxism, what you got?
August 27, 2021 at 3:16 pm
(August 27, 2021 at 2:43 pm)Helios Wrote: Quote:There are no purely socialistic countries, just as there are no purely capitalistic ones. Economies have elements of each. If you have price supports, some sort of state pension scheme, publicly funded anything, you’re trying socialism. Not pure socialism, naturally - call it ‘social democracy’ if it makes you feel better.
Not really implementing some Socialist policies (which by the way aren't really socialist as price supports are a feature of many systems as are forms of state pensions)
Quote:What signs do you see of the State withering away?
Boru
First off depends on what the state was talking about. In American for example, I see.
A rise in political sectarianism that the state seems ill-prepared to deal with and I imagine will only rise over time
An Economy that's failed substantial swathes of the population with little end in sight
Growing distrust in the institutions of the state and its leadership
A growing lack of confidence in its ability to handle crises ( climate change etc)
A growing apathy for Democracy
The corruption of the free press
The Slow Decay of the perceived legitimacy
To name a few
Without a coherent populous who believe in the state and confidence in, its legitimacy and its key institutions it will wither.
Marx and Engels were referring to the demise of ‘the State’ as a concept, not to any particular state. The signs you mention would seem to be indicative of either a change in the way a State is managed, or increasing the power of that State. If the US were to become a theocratic dictatorship, for example, or a corporate fascism, it would still be a State.
Worldwide, the concept of a State seems stronger than ever. Marx’s notion that society would evolve to the point where laws could be done away with (because people would naturally want to behave themselves without coercion) seems as far-fetched as ever.
And social programmes are socialist in essence, if not in name. This can’t be sensibly denied.
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RE: Marxism, what you got?
August 27, 2021 at 3:17 pm
(August 27, 2021 at 2:47 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Helios.......you are overreacting.
Please hush. Grownups are talking.
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