(August 25, 2021 at 3:45 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: (1) Schools requiring masks makes little sense. (2) Children becoming seriously ill from COVID-19 almost never happens. (3) Children spreading COVID-19 to adults is also very rare. And even if it were not, (4) the evidence of masks working in real-world settings is very thin. (5) Nearly all randomized control clinical trials about effects of general mask wearing on COVID-19 found either no effect or a negative effect. The largest one, the Danish Study, found no effect. It is not even clear whether masks which are mostly worn work against COVID-19 in laboratory settings. (6) Most masks that people wear cannot stop airborne viruses, they can only stop droplets. (7) And it is not clear whether COVID-19 is mostly spread by droplets, or perhaps mostly using viruses freely floating in the air, like measles spreads. (8) The MIT study suggests COVID-19 mostly spreads via airborne spread, and not via droplets. If so, the entire premise of most non-pharmaceutical-interventions such as staying six feet away from others and cloth mask wearing is wrong. But the science of COVID-19 has become so politicized it is impossible to have reasonable discussion about those things.

1) Why? What is wrong with School assemblys trying to implement any measure they deem fit?
2) "Almost never happens" is no comfort at all for those who lose young teens and children to accident and disease. Look at why parents put 'Baby capsules' and 'Booster seats' in their vehicles.
3) It's not about children spreading the virus to adults. It's about adults spreading the virus to chldren and thence the enclosed school environment allowing the virus to spread amongst said children.
4) Citation needed.
5) Citation needed.
6) How do you think the virus (The fomites) is carried in  the air? Litteraly just as particles OR as well as being suspended in expelled bodily fluids? If virus fomites are suspended within body fluid droplets then, indeed, a mask will help limit the spreading of such things whence they are expelled fomr the body.
7) Why does it matter if it's one OR the other? Why can it not be both or even MORE? Even if the Covid is not spread by such means, other viruses, especially Flue like ones, most certainly are. Why not help limimt the spread of OTHER viruses while we're trying to combat Covid?
8) Citation needed. Again you go back to 'Spread by air but NOT by droplets expelled into the air' comment. I repeat that  said fomites could, quite possibly be suspended within body fluid droplets and hecne suspended within both the droplet and the air it's floating in.

 

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(August 25, 2021 at 4:30 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:

(August 25, 2021 at 3:45 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: (1) Schools requiring masks makes little sense. (2) Children becoming seriously ill from COVID-19 almost never happens. (3) Children spreading COVID-19 to adults is also very rare. And even if it were not, (4) the evidence of masks working in real-world settings is very thin. (5) Nearly all randomized control clinical trials about effects of general mask wearing on COVID-19 found either no effect or a negative effect. The largest one, the Danish Study, found no effect. It is not even clear whether masks which are mostly worn work against COVID-19 in laboratory settings. (6) Most masks that people wear cannot stop airborne viruses, they can only stop droplets. (7) And it is not clear whether COVID-19 is mostly spread by droplets, or perhaps mostly using viruses freely floating in the air, like measles spreads. (8) The MIT study suggests COVID-19 mostly spreads via airborne spread, and not via droplets. If so, the entire premise of most non-pharmaceutical-interventions such as staying six feet away from others and cloth mask wearing is wrong. But the science of COVID-19 has become so politicized it is impossible to have reasonable discussion about those things.

1) Why? What is wrong with School assemblys trying to implement any measure they deem fit?
2) "Almost never happens" is no comfort at all for those who lose young teens and children to accident and disease. Look at why parents put 'Baby capsules' and 'Booster seats' in their vehicles.
3) It's not about children spreading the virus to adults. It's about adults spreading the virus to chldren and thence the enclosed school environment allowing the virus to spread amongst said children.
4) Citation needed.
5) Citation needed.
6) How do you think the virus (The fomites) is carried in  the air? Litteraly just as particles OR as well as being suspended in expelled bodily fluids? If virus fomites are suspended within body fluid droplets then, indeed, a mask will help limit the spreading of such things whence they are expelled fomr the body.
7) Why does it matter if it's one OR the other? Why can it not be both or even MORE? Even if the Covid is not spread by such means, other viruses, especially Flue like ones, most certainly are. Why not help limimt the spread of OTHER viruses while we're trying to combat Covid?
8) Citation needed. Again you go back to 'Spread by air but NOT by droplets expelled into the air' comment. I repeat that  said fomites could, quite possibly be suspended within body fluid droplets and hecne suspended within both the droplet and the air it's floating in.

 

Not at work.

#3 is bullshit
#4 and 5 is bullshit - https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fu...le/2776536

For the rest of it you can consider masks a mode of prevention that is cheap and has no side effect except for comfort, and even that is minimal.  It's no more uncomfortable than wearing a hat.  It's like a condom for your face.  There's no good reason to reject such a method of prevention unless it is demonstrated to have zero efficacy.

(August 25, 2021 at 4:46 pm)Spongebob Wrote:

(August 25, 2021 at 4:30 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: 1) Why? What is wrong with School assemblys trying to implement any measure they deem fit?
2) "Almost never happens" is no comfort at all for those who lose young teens and children to accident and disease. Look at why parents put 'Baby capsules' and 'Booster seats' in their vehicles.
3) It's not about children spreading the virus to adults. It's about adults spreading the virus to chldren and thence the enclosed school environment allowing the virus to spread amongst said children.
4) Citation needed.
5) Citation needed.
6) How do you think the virus (The fomites) is carried in  the air? Litteraly just as particles OR as well as being suspended in expelled bodily fluids? If virus fomites are suspended within body fluid droplets then, indeed, a mask will help limit the spreading of such things whence they are expelled fomr the body.
7) Why does it matter if it's one OR the other? Why can it not be both or even MORE? Even if the Covid is not spread by such means, other viruses, especially Flue like ones, most certainly are. Why not help limimt the spread of OTHER viruses while we're trying to combat Covid?
8) Citation needed. Again you go back to 'Spread by air but NOT by droplets expelled into the air' comment. I repeat that  said fomites could, quite possibly be suspended within body fluid droplets and hecne suspended within both the droplet and the air it's floating in.

 

Not at work.

#3 is bullshit
#4 and 5 is bullshit - https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fu...le/2776536

For the rest of it you can consider masks a mode of prevention that is cheap and has no side effect except for comfort, and even that is minimal.  It's no more uncomfortable than wearing a hat.  It's like a condom for your face.  There's no good reason to reject such a method of prevention unless it is demonstrated to have zero efficacy.

His evidence for 3and 4 comes from a rabid right-wing think tank 

We are watching the pandemic happen and the vaccine development happen in real time. To scientists, this is normal and how it goes. Although this is actually going far more smoothly than most infectious diseases, pound for pound and minus the human obstinacy factor. Wish there were a vaccine for that. It's just as deadly as any infectious disease, but I digress.

Scientific illiteracy is a serious problem anyway, but when you pair it with the partisan politics and the ubiquity of social media (the deliberate dissemination of misinformation is an actual destabilization tactic-and it works), it's the perfect storm.

Now that Pfizer has gotten FDA approval on its vaccine, the goalposts are moving. The "unapproved" talking point is now moot, so it's some other manufactured danger.

I wonder if the anti-vax crowd know that the Lilly and Regeneron mab treatments are under emergency use authorization? I see that both states have opened up free treatment clinics.

(August 25, 2021 at 8:38 pm)brewer Wrote: I wonder if the anti-vax crowd know that the Lilly and Regeneron mab treatments are under emergency use authorization? I see that both states have opened up free treatment clinics.

They are willing to take horse deworming pills.  They don't care.  It's beyond stupid.

Saw a YouTube video (can’t be arsed to look for it) in which a woman read right off the ivermectin label, ‘Do not give to horses, intended for human consumption.’ 

The guy commenting on the video pointed out that she added a comma. The actual label reads, ‘Do not give to horses intended for human consumption’, which is a whole different meaning. In other words, this stuff is so bad for humans, don’t give it to a horse you intend to eat.

Boru

(August 28, 2021 at 4:21 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Saw a YouTube video (can’t be arsed to look for it) in which a woman read right off the ivermectin label, ‘Do not give to horses, intended for human consumption.’ 

The guy commenting on the video pointed out that she added a comma. The actual label reads, ‘Do not give to horses intended for human consumption’, which is a whole different meaning. In other words, this stuff is so bad for humans, don’t give it to a horse you intend to eat.

Boru

The, beauty of punctuation?

Last night at Miami Int’l Airport. Another Florida anti-masker covidiot.





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