August 2021

(August 29, 2021 at 4:13 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 29, 2021 at 3:37 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: The "you don't even have to think about it" crowd are acting like experts just as much. Everyone who's saying the vaccines are completely safe, are lying. We know nothing about the long term effects at the moment. The sticky spike protein in the vax is potentially dangerous, and it's entirely rational for a young person with no health conditions to choose not to get it. People like Sam Harris are bringing doctors onto their shows to shit talk people who won't get the vaccine and to shit talk people like Bret Weinstein, but Sam Harris most recently brought on a very compromised doctor who was just putting down the lab leak theory. A compromised doctor who has been very wrong just recently, so why the heck would any vaccine hesitant person listen to someone like him who keeps getting it wrong?

I finally got the vax a couple of days ago. I thought it made sense to wait a while to do more research and take in more information. I didn't see any need to rush into a decision. No side effects for me over the last couple of days. I do not endorse the vax for other people though. Everyone should make their own decision after doing research. I have asthma though, so I finally decided to take the poison because of that.

I’m glad you did your own research. This makes you very valuable to the Forum, what with your electron microscope, sample processors, spectrographic equipment and whatnot. Are you with a university or did you do this research in private industry?

Boru

No no you see the only research you need is a Twitter Group and Some random quack on the internet and you know better than all those medical researchers 
With fancy degrees and actual experience in the field. But hey on occasion one of them loses their minds and starts talking utter nonsense. Thus totally overriding the medical consensus. Like the lab leak, a conspiracy theory that to this date has fuck all supporting it

(August 29, 2021 at 5:08 pm)Helios Wrote:

(August 29, 2021 at 4:13 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I’m glad you did your own research. This makes you very valuable to the Forum, what with your electron microscope, sample processors, spectrographic equipment and whatnot. Are you with a university or did you do this research in private industry?

Boru

No no you see the only research you need is a Twitter Group and Some random quack on the internet and you know better than all those medical researchers 
With fancy degrees and actual experience in the field. But hey on occasion one of them loses their minds and starts talking utter nonsense. Thus totally overriding the medical consensus. Like the lab leak, a conspiracy theory that to this date has fuck all supporting it

I’m impressed by the number of web surfers who gave up being experts on immunology to become - in just two weeks! - experts on foreign relations.

Boru

(August 29, 2021 at 3:37 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: The "you don't even have to think about it" crowd are acting like experts just as much. Everyone who's saying the vaccines are completely safe, are lying. We know nothing about the long term effects at the moment. The sticky spike protein in the vax is potentially dangerous, and it's entirely rational for a young person with no health conditions to choose not to get it. People like Sam Harris are bringing doctors onto their shows to shit talk people who won't get the vaccine and to shit talk people like Bret Weinstein, but Sam Harris most recently brought on a very compromised doctor who was just putting down the lab leak theory. A compromised doctor who has been very wrong just recently, so why the heck would any vaccine hesitant person listen to someone like him who keeps getting it wrong?

I finally got the vax a couple of days ago. I thought it made sense to wait a while to do more research and take in more information. I didn't see any need to rush into a decision. No side effects for me over the last couple of days. I do not endorse the vax for other people though. Everyone should make their own decision after doing research. I have asthma though, so I finally decided to take the poison because of that.

You are WRONG about ALL OF THIS. 
We DO know a lot about the safety of the vaccine and the long term effects at the moment. Do you have any understanding about how vaccines are developed and tested normally? Your statements here tell me that the only understanding you have of it you learned from Tucker Carlson. There are a LOT of data before Covid surrounding mRNA and traditional vaccines and the adjuvants and ingredients therein. LOOK IT UP BEFORE YOU SPREAD THIS BULLSHIT. 

The sticky spike protein in the vaccine is NOT dangerous and there is no reason to believe it is dangerous on its own. WHY do you think it's potentially dangerous? Its ONLY purpose in the J&J vaccine is to serve as the antigen, the map for antibody production. This protein is not in the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines. It contains the mRNA that allows YOU to make copies the spike protein. This same phenomenon occurs for every single thing your immune cells encounter. 

It is not rational to believe the LIES the talking heads tell you over WHAT THE MOTHER FUCKING SCIENTISTS ARE TELLING YOU!!!!! YES I AM FUCKING YELLING. Because this BULLSHIT makes me FUCKING MAD. People are fucking dying of this virus by the MILLIONS and this virus would be more under control if it weren't for these abject lies. 

"Every rational young person" knows that the vaccine safe based on very real and now plentiful data. There is absolutely no reason to not get the vaccine unless your doctor tells you otherwise.

Doctors/scientists aren't getting it WRONG nor are they LYING to you. THIS IS SCIENCE OCCURRING IN REAL TIME. 

STOP SPREADING STUPID LIES and LISTEN.

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And "Do your research" should extend beyond Googling stuff.

Bitch, that ain't research.

The guy from Texas, Caleb Wallace, who is mentioned in the meme FM posted above arranged protests did everything he could to put a stop to any sort of efforts to reduce the spread of COVID...masks, closures, vaccines, etc. He leaves behind a pregnant wife and three kids. The wife claims to have worn masks, not being as nutty as her husband.

There's a GoFund me page to help pay for expenses incurred by this man who took vitamins and Ivermectin instead of taking reasonable precautions.

There's a local guy who is raising money for kids who don't have money for the book fairs at school. That's where a few bucks from me will go instead.

It's unbelievable the number of people who, on their death beds, suddenly believe in COVID and the vaccine...I don't think that's the light they thought they'd see at the end of their personal tunnel.

(August 29, 2021 at 3:37 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:

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The "you don't even have to think about it" crowd are acting like experts just as much. Everyone who's saying the vaccines are completely safe, are lying. We know nothing about the long term effects at the moment. The sticky spike protein in the vax is potentially dangerous, and it's entirely rational for a young person with no health conditions to choose not to get it. People like Sam Harris are bringing doctors onto their shows to shit talk people who won't get the vaccine and to shit talk people like Bret Weinstein, but Sam Harris most recently brought on a very compromised doctor who was just putting down the lab leak theory. A compromised doctor who has been very wrong just recently, so why the heck would any vaccine hesitant person listen to someone like him who keeps getting it wrong?

I finally got the vax a couple of days ago. I thought it made sense to wait a while to do more research and take in more information. I didn't see any need to rush into a decision. No side effects for me over the last couple of days. I do not endorse the vax for other people though. Everyone should make their own decision after doing research. I have asthma though, so I finally decided to take the poison because of that.

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I've given up on responding to the utter bullshit you and your ilk post. I no longer care if the willfully stupid/ignorant get sick, have long term medical complications, go bankrupt or die. I just hope that you/they don't infect others, the innocent that don't have a choice, along the way.

(August 29, 2021 at 6:18 pm)brewer Wrote:

(August 29, 2021 at 3:37 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:

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The "you don't even have to think about it" crowd are acting like experts just as much. Everyone who's saying the vaccines are completely safe, are lying. We know nothing about the long term effects at the moment. The sticky spike protein in the vax is potentially dangerous, and it's entirely rational for a young person with no health conditions to choose not to get it. People like Sam Harris are bringing doctors onto their shows to shit talk people who won't get the vaccine and to shit talk people like Bret Weinstein, but Sam Harris most recently brought on a very compromised doctor who was just putting down the lab leak theory. A compromised doctor who has been very wrong just recently, so why the heck would any vaccine hesitant person listen to someone like him who keeps getting it wrong?

I finally got the vax a couple of days ago. I thought it made sense to wait a while to do more research and take in more information. I didn't see any need to rush into a decision. No side effects for me over the last couple of days. I do not endorse the vax for other people though. Everyone should make their own decision after doing research. I have asthma though, so I finally decided to take the poison because of that.

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I've given up on responding to the utter bullshit you and your ilk post. I no longer care if the willfully stupid/ignorant get sick, have long term medical complications, go bankrupt or die. I just hope that you/they don't infect others, the innocent that don't have a choice, along the way.

To be fair, IA actually did admit he finally gave into taking the vaccine. The bad-faith attempts at arguing that the vaccine is risky (at least any more than eventually getting COVID, which, by this point, may be inevitable for those who refuse to take the jab), of course, does deserve all the criticisms it can get.

(August 29, 2021 at 6:54 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(August 29, 2021 at 6:18 pm)brewer Wrote: I've given up on responding to the utter bullshit you and your ilk post. I no longer care if the willfully stupid/ignorant get sick, have long term medical complications, go bankrupt or die. I just hope that you/they don't infect others, the innocent that don't have a choice, along the way.

To be fair, IA actually did admit he finally gave into taking the vaccine. The bad-faith attempts at arguing that the vaccine is risky (at least any more than eventually getting COVID, which, by this point, may be inevitable for those who refuse to take the jab), of course, does deserve all the criticisms it can get.

To be fair, they've also spread a metric fuckton of bullshit.

Youtube is where I do all my serious research.

(August 29, 2021 at 6:54 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: To be fair, IA actually did admit he finally gave into taking the vaccine. The bad-faith attempts at arguing that the vaccine is risky (at least any more than eventually getting COVID, which, by this point, may be inevitable for those who refuse to take the jab), of course, does deserve all the criticisms it can get.

I find it questionable that he got vaccinated without coercion/mandate compliance.

As you can see, his bullshit continues.