(September 7, 2021 at 8:40 pm)Fireball Wrote:

(September 7, 2021 at 7:48 pm)brewer Wrote: Parts of Idaho rationing hospital care to "those most likely to survive".

Now, if only the medical people could screen for whether the patient had been vaccinated, and exclude the unvaccinated population from treatment, based on the threat to the medical people's well-being. That may seem cruel, but I have to say that it would be fair. "Don't come to my hospital, if you don't accept current medical knowledge. What treatment do you see here that is not based on the same knowledge?"

At this point it's kinda easy. If you need inpatient hospital treatment you weren't vaccinated. They could still be offered outpatient experimental treatment while supplies last. (Lilly and Regeneron , not de-wormer)

They should still let the kids under 18 in, some parents can be assholes when it comes to their child's healthcare.

There are points where I think that, if I were president, I'd warn the country that any states with a sufficiently low vaccination rate by a certain date get quarantined almost entirely from the rest of the nation (interstate commerce and mail is okay, but nobody else goes in or out) as if they were hotspots for Ebola. Hell, even each other, so that even Alabama and Mississippi don't try to keep each other company. Naturally, all restrictions on travel would be removed as soon as they actually reach the threshold. That said, as of right now, only half of the fifty states have reached the threshold of half the population being fully vaccinated, and only Vermont has reached the two-thirds point.

There were points where I thought maybe separating them from the union altogether would be a good idea, but then I thought about it for more than two seconds and realised that it was a bad idea on every level, not the least of which being that many of those states with low vaccination rates are probably chomping at the bit for a chance to secede.

(September 7, 2021 at 6:28 pm)brewer Wrote: If only more would step up.  

No Vax, No Visit: South Florida Doctor Won't Treat Unvaccinated Patients in Person: https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/no-v...n/2544042/

Communication from the doctor to her patients is in the article.

Will she treat morbidly obese folks who stuff their face all day long, or smokers who smoke two packs a day? They brought their bad health on themselves afterall, just like those who won't take the vaccine. That's one extremely immoral doctor. Do no harm.

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(September 7, 2021 at 8:40 pm)Fireball Wrote:

(September 7, 2021 at 7:48 pm)brewer Wrote: Parts of Idaho rationing hospital care to "those most likely to survive".

Now, if only the medical people could screen for whether the patient had been vaccinated, and exclude the unvaccinated population from treatment, based on the threat to the medical people's well-being. That may seem cruel, but I have to say that it would be fair. "Don't come to my hospital, if you don't accept current medical knowledge. What treatment do you see here that is not based on the same knowledge?"

Barf. You're a sicko, dude. That's just evil.

Edit- I read the article and it's not as bad as I thought, but still bad.

(September 7, 2021 at 9:13 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Will she treat morbidly obese folks who stuff their face all day long, or smokers who smoke two packs a day? They brought their bad health on themselves afterall, just like those who won't take the vaccine. That's one extremely immoral doctor. Do no harm.

^^^Obviously did not read the article or the communication to patients.

(September 7, 2021 at 9:24 pm)brewer Wrote:

(September 7, 2021 at 9:13 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Will she treat morbidly obese folks who stuff their face all day long, or smokers who smoke two packs a day? They brought their bad health on themselves afterall, just like those who won't take the vaccine. That's one extremely immoral doctor. Do no harm.

^^^Obviously did not read the article or the communication to patients.

I just read it now and it's still bad. Patients can have a hard time finding a new doctor, and not all appointments can take place over the phone. People need to get physicals and there are many other times a phone call will not do. Why aren't other doctors jumping on this bandwagon with her? Do they just not give a darn about their patients and they want to see them all infected? Or are they doing what they signed up to do? To help people who need that help. When you go to a doctors office, your temperature is taken and you are given covid screening questions to answer. That is plenty enough imo. There's a reason doctors aren't all jumping on the bandwagon with her nonsense. She's being overly cautious and turning patients away in doing so, and I think that's wrong.

Edit- And Fireball did post, "Don't come to my hospital". That is pretty bad. Does he not want an unvaccinated person to be allowed to show up at the emergency room? That's pretty awful. Let them die?

It takes a shitton of work for someone who's morbidly obese to lose all that extra weight (it can easily take years, and sometimes, even proper diet and exercise can barely make a dent), and it can take a while for someone to kick their two-pack-a-day smoking habit. But in the case of the unvaccinated, it just takes two jabs (maybe a few more if the science ends up calling for it) and you no longer have to worry as much about COVID. It's very simple, takes little effort except maybe the effort it takes to go to and from the clinic twice, and is effective at doing what it's supposed to do.

(September 7, 2021 at 9:13 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:

(September 7, 2021 at 6:28 pm)brewer Wrote: If only more would step up.  

No Vax, No Visit: South Florida Doctor Won't Treat Unvaccinated Patients in Person: https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/no-v...n/2544042/

Communication from the doctor to her patients is in the article.

Will she treat morbidly obese folks who stuff their face all day long, or smokers who smoke two packs a day? They brought their bad health on themselves afterall, just like those who won't take the vaccine. That's one extremely immoral doctor. Do no harm.

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(September 7, 2021 at 8:40 pm)Fireball Wrote: Now, if only the medical people could screen for whether the patient had been vaccinated, and exclude the unvaccinated population from treatment, based on the threat to the medical people's well-being. That may seem cruel, but I have to say that it would be fair. "Don't come to my hospital, if you don't accept current medical knowledge. What treatment do you see here that is not based on the same knowledge?"

Barf. You're a sicko, dude. That's just evil.

Edit- I read the article and it's not as bad as I thought, but still bad.

I'm a sicko?   Damn, you are a piece of work. This is the first time I've actually responded to you in some time, though I see that you've posted a lot. Your postings are generically stupid and pretty much like the tripe that helios posts. I have both of you on ignore, and will have to consider why I actually responded to your tripe, this time.

Obese people take years to get that way and the work needed to fix it can take years( also overeating can be a sign of things like depression which aren't a person's fault), It requires fuck all effort to get the vaccine. They have no excuse.

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Quote:I'm a sicko?   Damn, you are a piece of work. This is the first time I've actually responded to you in some time, though I see that you've posted a lot. Your postings are generically stupid and pretty much like the tripe that helios posts. I have both of you on ignore, and will have to consider why I actually responded to your tripe, this time.

1. There is no comparison between IA and me 

2. You have me on ignore because like your forum daddy your a coward who can't come up with a refutation. At least IA has the balls to respond.

(September 7, 2021 at 10:43 pm)Fireball Wrote:

(September 7, 2021 at 9:13 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Will she treat morbidly obese folks who stuff their face all day long, or smokers who smoke two packs a day? They brought their bad health on themselves afterall, just like those who won't take the vaccine. That's one extremely immoral doctor. Do no harm.

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Barf. You're a sicko, dude. That's just evil.

Edit- I read the article and it's not as bad as I thought, but still bad.

I'm a sicko?   Damn, you are a piece of work. This is the first time I've actually responded to you in some time, though I see that you've posted a lot. Your postings are generically stupid and pretty much like the tripe that helios posts. I have both of you on ignore, and will have to consider why I actually responded to your tripe, this time.

Do you or do you not want to turn unvaccinated people away from the emergency room at a hospital? If I misread you post, I apologise. If you want to let people lay out in the street and die because they didn't take the jab, congratulations, you've levelled up to Republican. Many of them want to see illegal immigrants turned away at hospitals, and now you want to turn people away in emergency situations. That's pretty gross, unless I'm reading you post wrong.

lol Helios is not going to like being compared to me.

There is a big difference between wanting to turn away people for being illegal immigrants and turning people away for not taking the social responsibility of getting a vaccine. It's easy to get .There is no excuse