(September 22, 2021 at 11:57 am)Jehanne Wrote: My computer won't run it (at least get the updates); I see no advantages in upgrading.

I don't either. I don't do anything that requires "Ludicrous Speed". I merely use my computer to post on social media and voice chat with friends.

(September 22, 2021 at 3:48 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(September 22, 2021 at 11:57 am)Jehanne Wrote: My computer won't run it (at least get the updates); I see no advantages in upgrading.

I don't either. I don't do anything that requires "Ludicrous Speed". I merely use my computer to post on social media and voice chat with friends.

No one upgrades their OS for the sake of speed.  Valid reasons for migrating to a newer OS include things like features, security and compatibility with hardware.  If you need more processing speed, you need better hardware.

I should amend that to say no one upgrades a Windows OS for speed.  Linux is a different matter.

(September 22, 2021 at 5:38 pm)Spongebob Wrote:

(September 22, 2021 at 3:48 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I don't either. I don't do anything that requires "Ludicrous Speed". I merely use my computer to post on social media and voice chat with friends.

No one upgrades their OS for the sake of speed.  Valid reasons for migrating to a newer OS include things like features, security and compatibility with hardware.  If you need more processing speed, you need better hardware.

I should amend that to say no one upgrades a Windows OS for speed.  Linux is a different matter.

Windows is like eating at a fast food joint. Sure it can fill you up, but they know how to market crap.

Not true. For someone like me who doesn't do complex code writing, or gaming, speed does not matter to me. But for someone who has a job in severe number crunching and code writing,  science, or cyber security, or gaming, speed matters. Otherwise CPU and hard drive processing would not need to get faster.

The only reason most people "upgrade" is much like one doesn't rely on an 1980s September 19th Washington Post newspaper in 2020. 

Just like we don't use rotary phones anymore.

I think we are arguing over personal use as an issue here. It depends. Even with the difference between physical land line phones and cell phones, I gave up my land line because it became too expensive, but my current cell phone is a pain in the ass paying bills over the phone. 

I am not against inventing newer technology. But with Windows, they know what they are doing in their marketing. I think far to much of modern marketing is to frustrate the consumer to the point they give up and buy a newer version.

(September 22, 2021 at 5:54 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Windows is like eating at a fast food joint. Sure it can fill you up, but they know how to market crap.

Not true. For someone like me who doesn't do complex code writing, or gaming, speed does not matter to me. But for someone who has a job in severe number crunching and code writing,  science, or cyber security, or gaming, speed matters. Otherwise CPU and hard drive processing would not need to get faster.

The only reason most people "upgrade" is much like one doesn't rely on an 1980s September 19th Washington Post newspaper in 2020. 

Just like we don't use rotary phones anymore.

I think we are arguing over personal use as an issue here. It depends. Even with the difference between physical land line phones and cell phones, I gave up my land line because it became too expensive, but my current cell phone is a pain in the ass paying bills over the phone. 

I am not against inventing newer technology. But with Windows, they know what they are doing in their marketing. I think far to much of modern marketing is to frustrate the consumer to the point they give up and buy a newer version.

What does marketing have to do with Windows?  Microsoft has a monopoly, or hadn't you heard.  You have 3 options for OS's for personal use, Microsoft, Apple and Linux.  Most people don't even know what Linux is.  Apple costs way more and forces you to do everything on Apple.  There are a million options for PCs running Windows.  For most people, Windows is the default.  It's not about marketing.

The only place marketing comes in is in the hardware, Dell, Lenovo, Asus...etc.

You misunderstood what I said about speed.  I said the OS has nothing to do with speed.  That is almost totally hardware dependent.  Upgrading to a new OS won't get you one more GHz.  It only gets you features and security.

(September 22, 2021 at 6:16 pm)Spongebob Wrote:

(September 22, 2021 at 5:54 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Windows is like eating at a fast food joint. Sure it can fill you up, but they know how to market crap.

Not true. For someone like me who doesn't do complex code writing, or gaming, speed does not matter to me. But for someone who has a job in severe number crunching and code writing,  science, or cyber security, or gaming, speed matters. Otherwise CPU and hard drive processing would not need to get faster.

The only reason most people "upgrade" is much like one doesn't rely on an 1980s September 19th Washington Post newspaper in 2020. 

Just like we don't use rotary phones anymore.

I think we are arguing over personal use as an issue here. It depends. Even with the difference between physical land line phones and cell phones, I gave up my land line because it became too expensive, but my current cell phone is a pain in the ass paying bills over the phone. 

I am not against inventing newer technology. But with Windows, they know what they are doing in their marketing. I think far to much of modern marketing is to frustrate the consumer to the point they give up and buy a newer version.

What does marketing have to do with Windows?  Microsoft has a monopoly, or hadn't you heard.  You have 3 options for OS's for personal use, Microsoft, Apple and Linux.  Most people don't even know what Linux is.  Apple costs way more and forces you to do everything on Apple.  There are a million options for PCs running Windows.  For most people, Windows is the default.  It's not about marketing.

The only place marketing comes in is in the hardware, Dell, Lenovo, Asus...etc.

You misunderstood what I said about speed.  I said the OS has nothing to do with speed.  That is almost totally hardware dependent.  Upgrading to a new OS won't get you one more GHz.  It only gets you features and security.

Microsoft is a Monopoly? NO WAY. Next thing you are going to tell me is that water is wet. 

That is my point. 

It operates like a drug dealer. They offer you an initial dream buzz to get you addicted, then sell you crap to get you frustrated, then sell you a solution to your frustrations.

Bill Gates says something about quantum dots, and idiots take that to mean electronics in vaccines.  It's his own damn fault.  His and Job's.

The internet was way better before stupid people could get here.  Thanks, Windows.

(September 22, 2021 at 7:36 pm)Ranjr Wrote: Bill Gates says something about quantum dots, and idiots take that to mean electronics in vaccines.  It's his own damn fault.  His and Job's.

The internet was way better before stupid people could get here.  Thanks, Windows.

The mess we are in now, as far as monopolies are concerned, at least with America, began when Reagan successfully busted the air traffic control unions. Citizens United was gas on the already  burning fire that came decades later. 

Before that, back in the 70s the most memorable anti monopoly bust  for me was when our Supreme Court broke up the Bell Telephone company. 

Companies like Windows or Apple or Google or Walmart or Amazon and even banks, are getting away far to much of mergers and exploitation because they are so big.

(September 22, 2021 at 8:24 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(September 22, 2021 at 7:36 pm)Ranjr Wrote: Bill Gates says something about quantum dots, and idiots take that to mean electronics in vaccines.  It's his own damn fault.  His and Job's.

The internet was way better before stupid people could get here.  Thanks, Windows.

The mess we are in now, as far as monopolies are concerned, at least with America, began when Reagan successfully busted the air traffic control unions. Citizens United was gas on the already  burning fire that came decades later. 

Before that, back in the 70s the most memorable anti monopoly bust  for me was when our Supreme Court broke up the Bell Telephone company. 

Companies like Windows or Apple or Google or Walmart or Amazon and even banks, are getting away far to much of mergers and exploitation because they are so big.

Union busting and Citizens United had nothing to do with monopolies.

Boru

(September 22, 2021 at 8:28 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(September 22, 2021 at 8:24 pm)Brian37 Wrote: The mess we are in now, as far as monopolies are concerned, at least with America, began when Reagan successfully busted the air traffic control unions. Citizens United was gas on the already  burning fire that came decades later. 

Before that, back in the 70s the most memorable anti monopoly bust  for me was when our Supreme Court broke up the Bell Telephone company. 

Companies like Windows or Apple or Google or Walmart or Amazon and even banks, are getting away far to much of mergers and exploitation because they are so big.

Union busting and Citizens United had nothing to do with monopolies.

Boru

Yea, that is why rich people cant pool their resources and political power or come close to the power of the middle class and working poor. 

It is most certainly a decades long push by the rich and the economic right to bully congress into giving them everything they want. 

Unions helped build the middle class after WW2, and those unions helped build our middle class. Reagan was the beginning of union decline. And the GOP is responsible for the erosion of worker stability, to this day.

(September 22, 2021 at 8:45 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(September 22, 2021 at 8:28 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Union busting and Citizens United had nothing to do with monopolies.

Boru

Yea, that is why rich people cant pool their resources and political power or come close to the power of the middle class and working poor. 

It is most certainly a decades long push by the rich and the economic right to bully congress into giving them everything they want. 

Unions helped build the middle class after WW2, and those unions helped build our middle class. Reagan was the beginning of union decline. And the GOP is responsible for the erosion of worker stability, to this day.

Still nothing to do with monopolies.

Boru