(October 16, 2021 at 6:38 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Bystanders should all be charged with aiding and abetting.

I would push more towards negligence

(October 16, 2021 at 6:51 pm)Helios Wrote:

(October 16, 2021 at 6:38 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Bystanders should all be charged with aiding and abetting.

I would push more towards negligence

You cant do that. Millions of people watched two towers go down. And just on the planes alone, those four planes, only one set of passengers realized it was a suicide mission. So by this logic, the other 3 planes were aiding and abetting because they didn't confront the people that murdered them. 

I wasn't witness to this story of the OP of course. But if I am basing it on human psychology, the rape happened and nobody stopped it initially, physically, because they didn't want to get hurt themselves, or some thought it was a kinky couple. It isn't excusing the rape one bit. I think it is still lost on some readers of the thread that the rape was still ultimately reported. My guess is someone with a cell phone reported it and 911 arrested the fucker at the next stop. Is it lost on some here that the guy was arrested? 

Not getting involved the nanosecond something happens, does not make the bystanders criminals on par with the criminals.

I wonder how things went as far as they did. Maybe people thought it was a domestic dispute at the beginning and pretty much no one wants to get in the middle of that. I'm curious about more details.

I am old and very breakable but would have made a call to 911 at least. Back in the day I'd have at least been screaming and raising hell...perhaps grabbing someone's briefcase and swatting the guy upside the head.

(October 16, 2021 at 6:38 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Bystanders should all be charged with aiding and abetting.

Completely agree.

(October 16, 2021 at 7:02 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(October 16, 2021 at 6:51 pm)Helios Wrote: I would push more towards negligence

You cant do that. Millions of people watched two towers go down. And just on the planes alone, those four planes, only one set of passengers realized it was a suicide mission. So by this logic, the other 3 planes were aiding and abetting because they didn't confront the people that murdered them. 

I wasn't witness to this story of the OP of course. But if I am basing it on human psychology, the rape happened and nobody stopped it initially, physically, because they didn't want to get hurt themselves, or some thought it was a kinky couple. It isn't excusing the rape one bit. I think it is still lost on some readers of the thread that the rape was still ultimately reported. My guess is someone with a cell phone reported it and 911 arrested the fucker at the next stop. Is it lost on some here that the guy was arrested? 

Not getting involved the nanosecond something happens, does not make the bystanders criminals on par with the criminals.

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(October 16, 2021 at 7:02 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(October 16, 2021 at 6:38 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Bystanders should all be charged with aiding and abetting.

Completely agree.

Will I think most of us agree they should be charged with something.

(October 16, 2021 at 6:51 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(October 16, 2021 at 6:38 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Bystanders should all be charged with aiding and abetting.

No, I don't agree. If you were not a part of a crime, and you fear for your life, or injury, you cannot make it a crime when you had no pre knowledge of the event.

I get the intent of wanting to help. I seriously get that intent. But it is crazy to convict someone whom was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time as being complicit in the moment.

The better argument in law, would be way after the fact, when you didn't report your observations. That would be a better case. But even then, the threats of the murderer can keep an innocent person silent. 

Quite sure, and would bet my life that is how John Gotti got away with all his crimes and violence as long as he did.

Just because you’re a coward, don’t assume everyone else is.

Boru

(October 16, 2021 at 7:08 pm)Helios Wrote:

(October 16, 2021 at 7:02 pm)Brian37 Wrote: You cant do that. Millions of people watched two towers go down. And just on the planes alone, those four planes, only one set of passengers realized it was a suicide mission. So by this logic, the other 3 planes were aiding and abetting because they didn't confront the people that murdered them. 

I wasn't witness to this story of the OP of course. But if I am basing it on human psychology, the rape happened and nobody stopped it initially, physically, because they didn't want to get hurt themselves, or some thought it was a kinky couple. It isn't excusing the rape one bit. I think it is still lost on some readers of the thread that the rape was still ultimately reported. My guess is someone with a cell phone reported it and 911 arrested the fucker at the next stop. Is it lost on some here that the guy was arrested? 

Not getting involved the nanosecond something happens, does not make the bystanders criminals on par with the criminals.

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(October 16, 2021 at 7:02 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Completely agree.

Will I think most of us agree they should be charged with something.

Why? If I was part of the plan, or had foreknowledge of the plan, I can understand that. But if I am say, in a bank and a customer, and robbers point guns at me, even though I am not an employee, how am I responsible if they shoot the teller and kill them?

It fucking sucks this woman got raped. And I agree considering the crowd it makes no sense that enough people didn't jump in. But this is more an issue of situational group psychology than it is good intent. 

Yes, it sucks. But to 100% blame bystanders is absurd. 

If I saw someone being raped, sure, I would try to do something, but getting myself killed in physically confronting them doesn't help the victim if I cant get to a phone or police car does it?

Your as guilty of what don't do as what you do.

(October 16, 2021 at 7:13 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(October 16, 2021 at 6:51 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No, I don't agree. If you were not a part of a crime, and you fear for your life, or injury, you cannot make it a crime when you had no pre knowledge of the event.

I get the intent of wanting to help. I seriously get that intent. But it is crazy to convict someone whom was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time as being complicit in the moment.

The better argument in law, would be way after the fact, when you didn't report your observations. That would be a better case. But even then, the threats of the murderer can keep an innocent person silent. 

Quite sure, and would bet my life that is how John Gotti got away with all his crimes and violence as long as he did.

Just because you’re a coward, don’t assume everyone else is.

Boru

I love the word "Coward". I will own it with a smile. I wish more of humanity were not fucking assholes bent on violence just to prove themselves. 

I am 5 feet 9, cant physically fight worth shit. I have no interest of loving Bruce Lee or Arnold outside of mere art. I don't know about you, but I love non violence and peace. Testosterone is highly overrated.

(October 16, 2021 at 7:27 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(October 16, 2021 at 7:13 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Just because you’re a coward, don’t assume everyone else is.

Boru

I love the word "Coward". I will own it with a smile. I wish more of humanity were not fucking assholes bent on violence just to prove themselves. 

I am 5 feet 9, cant physically fight worth shit. I have no interest of loving Bruce Lee or Arnold outside of mere art. I don't know about you, but I love non violence and peace. Testosterone is highly overrated.

The opposite of 'coward' is not 'violent asshole'.